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<blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 5419907" data-attributes="member: 3887">Not to me. But maybe I'm just lucky to game with the people I do. Or I'm more objective. Perhaps a bit of both?Don't get me wrong, I love the core of old-school play: DM-adjudicated role-playing/puzzle-solving occurring largely outside the purview of a formal rule system. Which I why I bring a heaping dollop of that to my 3e and 4e campaigns.But I'm deeply suspicious of any attempt to characterize old-school play as &quot;smarter&quot; because so much of occurred outside the purview of formal rules. Sure, a DM created puzzles and posed challenging situations and the players solved them using their own wits. But did that make the puzzles or their solutions &quot;smart&quot;? What if the puzzles where inane, and the player-proposed solutions equally so? This describes a fair amount of the play I participated in back in the AD&amp;D era. Describing old-school play in such a rosy light seems, at best, a little self-congratulatory, and at worst, like a circle jerk.&quot;How do I know I'm smart? Well, all my friends tell me I am. And I tell them the same thing.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mallus, post: 5419907, member: 3887"] Not to me. But maybe I'm just lucky to game with the people I do. Or I'm more objective. Perhaps a bit of both? Don't get me wrong, I love the core of old-school play: DM-adjudicated role-playing/puzzle-solving occurring largely outside the purview of a formal rule system. Which I why I bring a heaping dollop of that to my 3e and 4e campaigns. But I'm deeply suspicious of any attempt to characterize old-school play as "smarter" because so much of occurred outside the purview of formal rules. Sure, a DM created puzzles and posed challenging situations and the players solved them using their own wits. But did that make the puzzles or their solutions "smart"? What if the puzzles where inane, and the player-proposed solutions equally so? This describes a fair amount of the play I participated in back in the AD&D era. Describing old-school play in such a rosy light seems, at best, a little self-congratulatory, and at worst, like a circle jerk. "How do I know I'm smart? Well, all my friends tell me I am. And I tell them the same thing." [/QUOTE]

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