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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5420235" data-attributes="member: 957">This is one key difference.By ALL means, play what is fun TO YOU.But if you are going to compare 3E to CAD work and say things about your ability to figure DCs that would get someone else warned by a mod had they said them about you, then please keep in mind that those of us who do these things on the fly are going to immediately understand that anyone saying these things does not offer any real insight into what is valuable to *our* games.Yes, 4E is much easier.&nbsp; But, to me, the value added there is null and the cost is decisive.They are different games with different expectations of different target audiences.&nbsp; This is not REMOTELY to say that there is no overlap.&nbsp; But, the main target is different.&nbsp; If I was some voice in the wilderness, then that would be that.&nbsp; But looking back over the past 12 years it seems very easy to say that D20/3E revitalized the market and 4E has chopped it into pieces.&nbsp; Yes, 3E was old and done.&nbsp; It was time to move into something new.&nbsp; But, I'm convinced that something new that accepted that some players would feel they were pulling their hair to much would have retained a notably larger fan base.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5420235, member: 957"] This is one key difference. By ALL means, play what is fun TO YOU. But if you are going to compare 3E to CAD work and say things about your ability to figure DCs that would get someone else warned by a mod had they said them about you, then please keep in mind that those of us who do these things on the fly are going to immediately understand that anyone saying these things does not offer any real insight into what is valuable to *our* games. Yes, 4E is much easier. But, to me, the value added there is null and the cost is decisive. They are different games with different expectations of different target audiences. This is not REMOTELY to say that there is no overlap. But, the main target is different. If I was some voice in the wilderness, then that would be that. But looking back over the past 12 years it seems very easy to say that D20/3E revitalized the market and 4E has chopped it into pieces. Yes, 3E was old and done. It was time to move into something new. But, I'm convinced that something new that accepted that some players would feel they were pulling their hair to much would have retained a notably larger fan base. [/QUOTE]

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