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<blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 549455" data-attributes="member: 8704"><p>All of this sounds like the same old song and dance to me, we all can come up with different combinations to max out a particular score. If somebody in a game I was running tried to make a Fighter 2/Cleric 2/Ranger 1/Barbarian 2; I'd tell him he was nuts (not my style of play), I mean explain how you would be a fighter a ranger and a barbarian at the same time in game terms, oh and then you are going to be a cleric on top of that? If the players like to game like that then that is great, the DM can adjust the monsters too (and the DM can always out adjust the players and keep the fights competitive). The same goes with prestige classes, if they are being used to add flavor to the game and make characters special well that is fine, and if they are used to power game then that is fine if it is what the campaign is all about.&nbsp; The prestige classes don't make the characters too powerful the players do, you can make a Dwarven Defender who is pathetic just as easy as one who is super powerful. If there is a problem with a DM wanting to run a role playing campaign but the players only want to make powerful min/max characters then the problem is not with the rules or the characters the problem is a difference in game expectations between the people playing, you cannot fault power gamers for wanting to power game.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="jdavis, post: 549455, member: 8704"] All of this sounds like the same old song and dance to me, we all can come up with different combinations to max out a particular score. If somebody in a game I was running tried to make a Fighter 2/Cleric 2/Ranger 1/Barbarian 2; I'd tell him he was nuts (not my style of play), I mean explain how you would be a fighter a ranger and a barbarian at the same time in game terms, oh and then you are going to be a cleric on top of that? If the players like to game like that then that is great, the DM can adjust the monsters too (and the DM can always out adjust the players and keep the fights competitive). The same goes with prestige classes, if they are being used to add flavor to the game and make characters special well that is fine, and if they are used to power game then that is fine if it is what the campaign is all about. The prestige classes don't make the characters too powerful the players do, you can make a Dwarven Defender who is pathetic just as easy as one who is super powerful. If there is a problem with a DM wanting to run a role playing campaign but the players only want to make powerful min/max characters then the problem is not with the rules or the characters the problem is a difference in game expectations between the people playing, you cannot fault power gamers for wanting to power game. [/QUOTE]

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