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<blockquote data-quote="Endur" data-source="post: 550312" data-attributes="member: 3346">Well, yes, the Dwarf still has to wear plate armor.&nbsp; The extra movement from light armor isn't worth it.&nbsp; DD has to have a dex 13+ (pre-req dodge feat).&nbsp; Assuming point buy build, that means a Dex 14.&nbsp; At 9th level, maybe you have gloves of dex +2 for dex of 16.If you are wearing a chain shirt, your ac is 4 + 3 dex = +7 + magical bonus.If you are wearing dwarven plate, your ac is 8 + 3 dex = 11 + magical bonus.So, the optimal Dwarven Defender wears Dwarven Plate (mithril).&nbsp; Second best armor for a Dwarven Defender would be Adamtine plate.With regards to being slowed down, you don't worry about that.&nbsp; As a DD, you aren't going to be moving anyways.Yes, DD's are supposed to be Dwarven Sentries, so they get spot, listen, and sense motive, but&nbsp; you are probably only getting 1 skill point per level.&nbsp; With regards to spot and sense motive, gee whiz, its really cool to have them on the skill list, but you aren't going to have any skill points to buy ranks, most likely.&nbsp; Point Buy Environment, most fighter types have int 8, especially since the tank needs high str, high con, and dex 14.&nbsp; So with int 8, you get 1 skill point per level.&nbsp; Does it really matter where they go?Oh, I wouldn't be counting on the Cleave chain or the Spring Attack chain of feats, either.&nbsp; Since your dwarf isn't moving far, if at all, Spring Attack + Mobility are useless.&nbsp; Likewise, since you aren't moving, you can't count on being able to cleave through multiple opponents since you have to rely on all the opponents coming to you.The Bonus AC from DD is really nice, but some of the higher level monsters are very tough.&nbsp; Last weekend, my 9th level DD was bit for 54 points of damage (in one bite ) from a Dragon.&nbsp; The high AC didn't seem to stop the Dragon's huge attack bonus.&nbsp; Imagine what the Dragons are like that a 17th level DD must fight?&nbsp; The AC and DR of the high level DD will really be inconsequential against the major monsters.Tom</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Endur, post: 550312, member: 3346"] Well, yes, the Dwarf still has to wear plate armor. The extra movement from light armor isn't worth it. DD has to have a dex 13+ (pre-req dodge feat). Assuming point buy build, that means a Dex 14. At 9th level, maybe you have gloves of dex +2 for dex of 16. If you are wearing a chain shirt, your ac is 4 + 3 dex = +7 + magical bonus. If you are wearing dwarven plate, your ac is 8 + 3 dex = 11 + magical bonus. So, the optimal Dwarven Defender wears Dwarven Plate (mithril). Second best armor for a Dwarven Defender would be Adamtine plate. With regards to being slowed down, you don't worry about that. As a DD, you aren't going to be moving anyways. Yes, DD's are supposed to be Dwarven Sentries, so they get spot, listen, and sense motive, but you are probably only getting 1 skill point per level. With regards to spot and sense motive, gee whiz, its really cool to have them on the skill list, but you aren't going to have any skill points to buy ranks, most likely. Point Buy Environment, most fighter types have int 8, especially since the tank needs high str, high con, and dex 14. So with int 8, you get 1 skill point per level. Does it really matter where they go? Oh, I wouldn't be counting on the Cleave chain or the Spring Attack chain of feats, either. Since your dwarf isn't moving far, if at all, Spring Attack + Mobility are useless. Likewise, since you aren't moving, you can't count on being able to cleave through multiple opponents since you have to rely on all the opponents coming to you. The Bonus AC from DD is really nice, but some of the higher level monsters are very tough. Last weekend, my 9th level DD was bit for 54 points of damage (in one bite ) from a Dragon. The high AC didn't seem to stop the Dragon's huge attack bonus. Imagine what the Dragons are like that a 17th level DD must fight? The AC and DR of the high level DD will really be inconsequential against the major monsters. Tom [/QUOTE]

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