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<blockquote data-quote="Arcane Runes Press" data-source="post: 560155" data-attributes="member: 402">incognito;Compared to a straight class fighter, a DD is giving up 7 feats.From an optimization standpoint, Endurance &amp; Toughness (especially Toughness) are just plain bad feats for a tough guy/combat monster fighter to take. It's especially bad if the prospective DD character is run from 1st level - he's going to be sucking up some gimp feats for levels 1-7 while his straight class fighter buddy is happily snapping up any feat he wants. That's part of the balance of many PrCs - sacrifice in the beginning for big payoffs at the end.&nbsp;&nbsp; Yes, the DD has a lot going for it, but 7 feats is a pretty dang big sacrifice in return. The versatility just isn't there for the DD.&nbsp; As to the Barbarian:Defensive Stance is nowhere near as good as Rage, IMO. Primarily because a DD performing a Defensive Stance can't move. So, the battle comes to him or his ability is completely wasted. Meanwhile, the raging barbarian is merrily chasing and cleaving through hordes of ogres.&nbsp; Beyond that, I don't think the skill list &quot;edge&quot; goes towards the DD at all. Sure, he has Sense Motive and Spot -those are good skills. But the Barbarian has Intimidate and Wilderness Lore, which are also good skills. And the 2 extra skill points per level are a solid bonus as well.&nbsp; Patrick Y.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Arcane Runes Press, post: 560155, member: 402"] incognito; Compared to a straight class fighter, a DD is giving up 7 feats. From an optimization standpoint, Endurance & Toughness (especially Toughness) are just plain [I]bad[/I] feats for a tough guy/combat monster fighter to take. It's especially bad if the prospective DD character is run from 1st level - he's going to be sucking up some gimp feats for levels 1-7 while his straight class fighter buddy is happily snapping up any feat he wants. That's part of the balance of many PrCs - sacrifice in the beginning for big payoffs at the end. Yes, the DD has a lot going for it, but 7 feats is a pretty dang big sacrifice in return. The versatility just isn't there for the DD. As to the Barbarian: Defensive Stance is nowhere near as good as Rage, IMO. Primarily because a DD performing a Defensive Stance [I]can't move[/I]. So, the battle comes to him or his ability is completely wasted. Meanwhile, the raging barbarian is merrily chasing and cleaving through hordes of ogres. Beyond that, I don't think the skill list "edge" goes towards the DD at all. Sure, he has Sense Motive and Spot -those are good skills. But the Barbarian has Intimidate and Wilderness Lore, which are [I]also[/I] good skills. And the 2 extra skill points per level are a solid bonus as well. Patrick Y. [/QUOTE]

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