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Message: <blockquote data-quote="incognito" data-source="post: 562215" data-attributes="member: 7008">Hello All:Ok, I think we may have actually reached a consensus.  It seems I have been too caught up the Will Save, and the Uncanny Dodge, and Spot as a class skill.Perhaps I gave these advantages too much weight as compared to the feat losses.   In the grand scheme of things, I've see the fighter's will save surpass the wizards in two levels of DD - and that seemed pretty rough.  I guess, in the combat's we've faced, the monsters DID often come to attack us, once the melee began, and Thaqt's when the DD used his ability - so the lack of mobility, although not ideal, was less of a deterrent.On the flip side, I hope some of the things I have illustrated here has given players and DMs pause about the veracity of PrCs being balanced.  Forget about Dwarven Defender, just PrCs in general  I have seen significant amount of PrC's with mutiple strong saves, of aggressive BAB progression, or "front loaded"  abilities that allow characters to gain significant advantages, especially if the pre-reqs are "easy" (Like Holy Liberator: CG, 5 ranks Diplomacy and Iron will).Jdavis: to answer one question, it's not that we started with a high level campaign, it's that Character death has occured, and the player wanted to bring in a new character, rather than raise the old one.  Level 1 is not appropriatedrnuncheon: Actually Mary Sue's have been defined at beign the best at everything, to merely being competent at everything.  I split the difference, by saying they are "good" at everything. In any event, I've defended (dwarvenly, I might add), my position to my contentment, and would liek to thank hong and jdavis for sticking in there with me...and everyone else to took up a position.  Maybe I will look with less dislike on PrC in the future.Thanks guys!</blockquote>

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