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<blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 576850" data-attributes="member: 8704"><p>incognito, I do see the merits of your argument, but I really think you are not going to get anywhere using the DD (or any DMG PrC) as the example. The DD is just too limited, I am sure there are Prestege Classes out there that you can prove the point with that would be harder for the rest of us to pick apart. I have looked at more PrC's since this started than I ever cared to look at before, so this has been very informative and some of the PrC's out there are not that good. I still hold to the fact that this whole problem is in how the players play and not in how the PrC's are set up. A good player would not try to take advantage like in the examples, a power player might, but a power player is going to do the same type of character creation regardless of if PrC's are allowed or not. I play a Arcane Archer myself and he's not all that, I took the class strictly for roleplaying purposes and the character has gained some neat tricks but it hasn't really helped any more than multiclassing into a fighter would of, he wasn't designed from the start to even multiclass much less take a PrC, at 10th level he took a opportunity and started the Prestige class, at 9th level it wasn't even considered. If players start off with a prestige class as a goal and they are only doing it to get some cool ability or score boost, then that is powergaming and I really wouldn't care for it, some people play that way, I don't, but that isn't the prestege classes fault, they may be abused but they don't automatically make characters into super characters.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="jdavis, post: 576850, member: 8704"] incognito, I do see the merits of your argument, but I really think you are not going to get anywhere using the DD (or any DMG PrC) as the example. The DD is just too limited, I am sure there are Prestege Classes out there that you can prove the point with that would be harder for the rest of us to pick apart. I have looked at more PrC's since this started than I ever cared to look at before, so this has been very informative and some of the PrC's out there are not that good. I still hold to the fact that this whole problem is in how the players play and not in how the PrC's are set up. A good player would not try to take advantage like in the examples, a power player might, but a power player is going to do the same type of character creation regardless of if PrC's are allowed or not. I play a Arcane Archer myself and he's not all that, I took the class strictly for roleplaying purposes and the character has gained some neat tricks but it hasn't really helped any more than multiclassing into a fighter would of, he wasn't designed from the start to even multiclass much less take a PrC, at 10th level he took a opportunity and started the Prestige class, at 9th level it wasn't even considered. If players start off with a prestige class as a goal and they are only doing it to get some cool ability or score boost, then that is powergaming and I really wouldn't care for it, some people play that way, I don't, but that isn't the prestege classes fault, they may be abused but they don't automatically make characters into super characters. [/QUOTE]

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