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<blockquote data-quote="Chain Lightning" data-source="post: 1323286" data-attributes="member: 6791"><p>Who's Mark Ferguson?</p><p>Hypersmurf, were you part of the stunt team on LotR? Your reply has so little info.</p><p></p><p>Anyways KaiLord, I agree about it being nice to see someone break Hollywood storytelling conventions. For example: set up a villian's vow to destroy.....show a hero face off with that villian. Like in real life...sometimes things just go wrong. You may not get to fight who you wished to fight.</p><p></p><p>So, by all means.....break with predictability and not have Witchking actually able to confront Gandalf. [although its obvious that they did, cuz its in the trailer, and it was just cut due to time - - - but lets just say that it wasn't shown because PJ wanted to break expectation for whatever artistic reasons]</p><p></p><p>You can still break the format of the typical face off, but you still have to maintain the quality of storytelling that the audience takes in. If you're going to have the Witchking [for example] be denied his chance to confront Gandalf....then you have to show why he was denied, how he was, and what prevented him. A scene where Gandalf evaded him by going into that one gate house with Pippin perhaps. Or a scene where the Witchking couldnt' get close because of Gandalf's shining light thing that repels the Nazgul. Or other pressing matters on the battlefield that tore the Witchking away for whatever reason. Although, I can't imagine what would make the Witchking put off him fight with a key figure of the enemy. Some may make up a reason in their imagination....like, he saw Theoden and thought he was more of a threat. That would seem also equally unlikely because Gandalf is clearly the leader and most powerful part of the good guys until Aragorn and his undead posse arrives. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>So my point is, if you're going to break a cliche or rule, you still have to adhere to conventional plain storytelling sense. If you want to make sure the audience is feeling what you want them to feel. Personally, I don't think PJ planned on not having the Witchking and Gandalf confront each other somehow....but rather, he just had to cut what he filmed of that encounter. I'm sure he didn't want to ....but ultimately , when editing....everything is awesome....but some of it has to go regardless.</p><p></p><p>Knowing he had to cut out that confrontation, why would you leave in the scene where the Witchking says his thing? Basically, what the scene does now....is give the audience a sense of forboding....a sense of something bad coming up. Although it never happens, the moment the Witchking says what he says, you're thinking..." oh no....poor Gandalf has a rough time coming his way". PJ obviously thought that you needed to feel that regardless of whether or not you get let down by not actually seeing it happen.</p><p></p><p>But now I'm just wasting typing time....we all know everything will be sweet when Extended Edition comes out. Or at least we assume so because the other EE's did so well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chain Lightning, post: 1323286, member: 6791"] Who's Mark Ferguson? Hypersmurf, were you part of the stunt team on LotR? Your reply has so little info. Anyways KaiLord, I agree about it being nice to see someone break Hollywood storytelling conventions. For example: set up a villian's vow to destroy.....show a hero face off with that villian. Like in real life...sometimes things just go wrong. You may not get to fight who you wished to fight. So, by all means.....break with predictability and not have Witchking actually able to confront Gandalf. [although its obvious that they did, cuz its in the trailer, and it was just cut due to time - - - but lets just say that it wasn't shown because PJ wanted to break expectation for whatever artistic reasons] You can still break the format of the typical face off, but you still have to maintain the quality of storytelling that the audience takes in. If you're going to have the Witchking [for example] be denied his chance to confront Gandalf....then you have to show why he was denied, how he was, and what prevented him. A scene where Gandalf evaded him by going into that one gate house with Pippin perhaps. Or a scene where the Witchking couldnt' get close because of Gandalf's shining light thing that repels the Nazgul. Or other pressing matters on the battlefield that tore the Witchking away for whatever reason. Although, I can't imagine what would make the Witchking put off him fight with a key figure of the enemy. Some may make up a reason in their imagination....like, he saw Theoden and thought he was more of a threat. That would seem also equally unlikely because Gandalf is clearly the leader and most powerful part of the good guys until Aragorn and his undead posse arrives. :) So my point is, if you're going to break a cliche or rule, you still have to adhere to conventional plain storytelling sense. If you want to make sure the audience is feeling what you want them to feel. Personally, I don't think PJ planned on not having the Witchking and Gandalf confront each other somehow....but rather, he just had to cut what he filmed of that encounter. I'm sure he didn't want to ....but ultimately , when editing....everything is awesome....but some of it has to go regardless. Knowing he had to cut out that confrontation, why would you leave in the scene where the Witchking says his thing? Basically, what the scene does now....is give the audience a sense of forboding....a sense of something bad coming up. Although it never happens, the moment the Witchking says what he says, you're thinking..." oh no....poor Gandalf has a rough time coming his way". PJ obviously thought that you needed to feel that regardless of whether or not you get let down by not actually seeing it happen. But now I'm just wasting typing time....we all know everything will be sweet when Extended Edition comes out. Or at least we assume so because the other EE's did so well. [/QUOTE]
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