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<blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 1959180" data-attributes="member: 3586"><p>If 4e is any more of a change than the one between 1e and 2e or 3e and 3.5e I will be very, very surprised.</p><p></p><p>I know there are corporate scaremongers out there who are saying that "Hasbro is only after your money", but one of the chief ways that Hasbro gets money is by producing games people want to buy.</p><p></p><p>They don't get money by producing a version of D&D that only two people get, because everyone else stays with 3e.</p><p></p><p>3e needed to be such a radical shift from old AD&D because it was time. 3e was designed as an expandable system - something AD&D was not designed as. The way 3e was designed allowed Prestige Classes and Feats, and, lo! they were exceptionally popular.</p><p></p><p>If 4e is radically different from 3e, then all the game loyalty that Wizards have gained will be worthless. However, why would 4e need to be so different? You could <em>see</em> 2e not coping with the options it allowed, but this isn't the case with 3e. Certainly, there are areas that could be improved - and they likely will be in 4e - but there isn't the impetus for an Entirely New System.</p><p></p><p>What edition is Call of Cthulhu up to now, anyway? How many major structural changes has it had?</p><p></p><p>4th edition will give Wizards the chance to address the issues in 3e they've discovered (Turn Undead, Metamagic, possibly Monster Races) that weren't addressed in 3.5e, or that were a result of 3.5e.</p><p></p><p>Consider also that an entirely new system also completely destroys any expertise the Wizards designers have in the system! </p><p></p><p>So, imagine 3e->3.5e but with slightly more emphasis on some of the main subsystems being tweaked.</p><p></p><p>From that, you can get an idea as to how 4E will go:</p><p></p><p>* It will make the 3.5e players happy, because it is similar to that upgrade, and makes the system better.</p><p>* Some 3e players will now think that it's long enough since 3e was released, and so they'll upgrade.</p><p>* Some 3e players will never want to leave their current system.</p><p></p><p>(3.5e had one major system overhaul - monster creation - and it made the system much, much cleaner by doing so).</p><p></p><p>Cheers!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MerricB, post: 1959180, member: 3586"] If 4e is any more of a change than the one between 1e and 2e or 3e and 3.5e I will be very, very surprised. I know there are corporate scaremongers out there who are saying that "Hasbro is only after your money", but one of the chief ways that Hasbro gets money is by producing games people want to buy. They don't get money by producing a version of D&D that only two people get, because everyone else stays with 3e. 3e needed to be such a radical shift from old AD&D because it was time. 3e was designed as an expandable system - something AD&D was not designed as. The way 3e was designed allowed Prestige Classes and Feats, and, lo! they were exceptionally popular. If 4e is radically different from 3e, then all the game loyalty that Wizards have gained will be worthless. However, why would 4e need to be so different? You could [i]see[/i] 2e not coping with the options it allowed, but this isn't the case with 3e. Certainly, there are areas that could be improved - and they likely will be in 4e - but there isn't the impetus for an Entirely New System. What edition is Call of Cthulhu up to now, anyway? How many major structural changes has it had? 4th edition will give Wizards the chance to address the issues in 3e they've discovered (Turn Undead, Metamagic, possibly Monster Races) that weren't addressed in 3.5e, or that were a result of 3.5e. Consider also that an entirely new system also completely destroys any expertise the Wizards designers have in the system! So, imagine 3e->3.5e but with slightly more emphasis on some of the main subsystems being tweaked. From that, you can get an idea as to how 4E will go: * It will make the 3.5e players happy, because it is similar to that upgrade, and makes the system better. * Some 3e players will now think that it's long enough since 3e was released, and so they'll upgrade. * Some 3e players will never want to leave their current system. (3.5e had one major system overhaul - monster creation - and it made the system much, much cleaner by doing so). Cheers! [/QUOTE]
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