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<blockquote data-quote="jaelis" data-source="post: 7373525" data-attributes="member: 60210">There's a few different situations you could imagine here.If a rule said &quot;Treat damage dice for the spell as if they had rolled their maximum amount,&quot; then the rule would be clear. In that case I would probably still roll the chaos bolt dice to see the effect, but I think people would be pretty up front that this is ignoring the rule in favor of playability.If a rule said &quot;Do not roll damage dice for the spell, but instead the spell deals its maximum possible damage,&quot; then IMO it would be pretty clear that we should still roll some dice for chaos bolt to determine the effect, we just wouldn't treat them as damage dice. Otherwise there is no way to run the spell. In this case the damage dice serve another function besides determining the damage, and the maximizing rule would force us to separate those effects.The actual case of wild magic says &quot;maximize the damage of the next spell you cast.&quot; That is I think ambiguous, it could mean treat the damage dice as their max value, or it could mean don't roll and use the max damage instead. Here the rules don't clearly tell us what to do, so I disagree that it is like the first case. We're just interpreting an ambiguous rule in a sensible way.At least that's how I see it. Perhaps you feel that &quot;maximize the damage&quot; can only mean to treat the dice rolls a showing their max value. In that case I guess that your response would be more along the lines of case 1. That's fine by me, but I don't feel the need to adopt your interpretation to decide if I'm being weaselly or not <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="jaelis, post: 7373525, member: 60210"] There's a few different situations you could imagine here. If a rule said "Treat damage dice for the spell as if they had rolled their maximum amount," then the rule would be clear. In that case I would probably still roll the chaos bolt dice to see the effect, but I think people would be pretty up front that this is ignoring the rule in favor of playability. If a rule said "Do not roll damage dice for the spell, but instead the spell deals its maximum possible damage," then IMO it would be pretty clear that we should still roll some dice for chaos bolt to determine the effect, we just wouldn't treat them as damage dice. Otherwise there is no way to run the spell. In this case the damage dice serve another function besides determining the damage, and the maximizing rule would force us to separate those effects. The actual case of wild magic says "maximize the damage of the next spell you cast." That is I think ambiguous, it could mean treat the damage dice as their max value, or it could mean don't roll and use the max damage instead. Here the rules don't clearly tell us what to do, so I disagree that it is like the first case. We're just interpreting an ambiguous rule in a sensible way. At least that's how I see it. Perhaps you feel that "maximize the damage" can only mean to treat the dice rolls a showing their max value. In that case I guess that your response would be more along the lines of case 1. That's fine by me, but I don't feel the need to adopt your interpretation to decide if I'm being weaselly or not :) [/QUOTE]

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