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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mamba" data-source="post: 8874555" data-attributes="member: 7034611">not sure about that, it was kicked to the curb faster than any other edition. It had a great first few months, then a steep drop off and a quick death with things getting cancelled (like Dragonlance 4e).Had that discussion recently, apparently it is too controversial for this forum somehow, so I leave it at that. To me the ‘by all accounts’ is a function of WotC not telling and this forum actively discouraging discussion.I don’t even think it was a bad version, but 5e is not the version it would have been if 4e actually had been successful. To me it is more a step back, probably due to the success of PF1more reliable in general yes, hard to argue against that. They might be here too, cannot deny that. They certainly did more analysis than all of us combined.I still think they misjudge the risk on that one, not to the point of it being their downfall, but a possible / probable dent in the juggernaut that would not otherwise be there.I might get the size of that dent wrong and the fees might justify them, time will tell</blockquote>