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<blockquote data-quote="WayneLigon" data-source="post: 2583851" data-attributes="member: 3649">Yeah, I need to clarify that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I think you can still have options with less complexity.I like the idea of one metamagic ability rather than five or six metamagic feats.I like the idea of making some spells simple, some complex, and some exotic.I like having one spell list for all the classes, but preserving that idea that some classes are better at using spells than others through the simple/complex/exotic system and the spell descriptor - much simpler than having a number of different spell lists.I like the 'weaving' of spell levels and slots. It adds options without a large amount of verbage needed to explain the concept; I don't think it's appreciably more complex than the current system even though it gives you more options.If I was doing a new edition, though, and wanted to toss Vancian magic, I'd go with the Blue Rose/True20 Arcana. Even less complex and more expandable, and takes up far less room. In fact, take the Blue Rose book, par down the setting to add&nbsp; a little more verbage on creatures and npc stats, add some select magic items and 'how to run the game' stuff, price it at about $20 and you'd just about have your perfect 4E right there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WayneLigon, post: 2583851, member: 3649"] Yeah, I need to clarify that :) I think you can still have options with less complexity. I like the idea of one metamagic ability rather than five or six metamagic feats. I like the idea of making some spells simple, some complex, and some exotic. I like having one spell list for all the classes, but preserving that idea that some classes are better at using spells than others through the simple/complex/exotic system and the spell descriptor - much simpler than having a number of different spell lists. I like the 'weaving' of spell levels and slots. It adds options without a large amount of verbage needed to explain the concept; I don't think it's appreciably more complex than the current system even though it gives you more options. If I was doing a new edition, though, and wanted to toss Vancian magic, I'd go with the Blue Rose/True20 Arcana. Even less complex and more expandable, and takes up far less room. In fact, take the Blue Rose book, par down the setting to add a little more verbage on creatures and npc stats, add some select magic items and 'how to run the game' stuff, price it at about $20 and you'd just about have your perfect 4E right there. [/QUOTE]

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