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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 6218554" data-attributes="member: 5143">I think both sides are to blame.  A number of my friends didn't try 4e at all.  A bunch of them claimed they were tired of buying books and would never buy another one again because WOTC had screwed them over by selling them a book a month for so many years straight then suddenly coming out with a new edition that made all those books useless.  They didn't care what 4e looked like.  They told me so each and every time I tried to convince them to come out and try it.  They didn't want to try it in case they liked it.  They were just going to keep playing 3.5e forever.  Most of them bought Pathfinder books 2 or 3 years later when the Pathfinder community became big enough that half their group wanted to switch.Out of the rest of my friends who did switch to 4e, most of them continued playing it until about 2011.  Fatigue set in to a lot of them and they stopped playing altogether and we lost a couple of people to Pathfinder.  The rest of them stopped playing shortly after 5e was announced.  At that point a bunch of people I know felt abandoned again by WOTC.  They still liked 4e, but felt like WOTC wasn't going to support the game anymore so they might as well move on.  They eagerly awaited the next edition coming out right away.  Then when most of them were told it was going to be 2 or 3 years before 5e would come out, they completely lost faith in them.  Almost all of them switched to Pathfinder because that's where all the people are.  Pathfinder Society now runs twice a week at stores in the city and they have a huge population of players.</blockquote>

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