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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6218649" data-attributes="member: 37579">Maybe. Maybe not. WotC stopped doing PDFs in early 2009 after PHB2, which might have been an early sign they were worried about sales. This was before the PF Core Rulebook. Paizo also started outselling 4e in late 2010 when they had just started coming into their own. That couldn't just be Paizo gaining sales but WotC losing sales. It's doubtful that everyone who stopped praying 4e went straight to Pathfinder.It's also unfair to put all the blame of 4e's failure on Paizo and competition. Every other edition of D&D had fantasy competition and survived. WotC made a couple other errors that could have really hurt, such as making it easy to buy DDI and skip books, errata that devalued the books, the GSL, and accessories that made it easy to skip the core books, and the like. It's too small of a sample to be representational of the audience, and I'm not people who were excited enough about 4e to travel to a convention are the average.I remember looking at those files as well and not being wowed, but I wasn't entirely disappointed  by the game until I saw the PHB.Really?Really???There's no one else? How about: People who don't like gamist rules. People who like strategy over tactics. People in the middle of campaign. People who preferred gritty adventures to heroic adventures.  I played a lot of LG as well and certainly got tired of that game and 3e at the end. But the experience was really not representational of 3e as a whole. The token warrior level was a running joke in LG but was likely rare in the rest of the hobby.</blockquote>

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