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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Petrosian" data-source="post: 72347" data-attributes="member: 1149">Really, please cite me the rule which says that a pile of coins turns into the magic item!The phrase i see all over the item rules is..."Additional costs for the materials are subsumed in the cost for creating the magic "Under scribing rules "Materials and Costs: Materials for writing the spell (special quills, inks, and other supplies) cost 100 gp per page."Which clearly indicates other materialsd are used and tells you where there cost is represented.NOTHING NOWHERE ANYWHERE in the core books or IIRC the class books produced by wotc says...1> Piles o' Coins turn into items2> materials usedf for making items are NOT subject to availability rules/guidelines like all other items are.3> Piles o' Coins turn into spell pages.4> materials used for spells scribing are NOT subject to availability rules/guidelines like all other items are.If I am incorrect, show me where it says these things.A statement of cost expressed in GP to do something is NOT the same thing as saying piles of coins turn into an item. its not anywhere close.There are a greta many things made up of more than one "piece" which have a cost which is used for availability... a healers kit, say masterwork, is mentioned as having multiple doses and different materials, artisans tools, again lets say MW, have multiple tools not just one tool, etc etc many armors describe multiple pieces...for all of these their availability in smaller towns is subject to the pricing guidelines per town size etc... there is no "well divide the price by how many different parts" to let them slip under the wire allowing you to buy all the "parts" and bypass these limits...It works fine for those items and their materials...Of course a Gm can alter these rules/guidelines for his campaign. rule-0 is great, but to then act as if it isn't a change?First we literally have someone making the pile o' coins argument... meaning we have a troll with 250 silver coisn in his pocket and so we camp in his lair for a day and the wizard according to some literally turns the 250 silver coins into a scroll of expeditious retreat and mage armor? Any rule support this? Nope. no more than the rule which says a saddke costs 20 and a pack costs 5 means he could turn them into a pack and saddle.Then we might have the even wierder argument... a wizard needs an expensive jacinth to cast astral projection, worth at least 1000. The material component is under the restrictions for item availability.... but he also need 1800 gold in materials to scribe the spell.... but apparently some dont think that HIGHER VALUE stuff is under any restrictions... If you think that somewhere it is written that any of these are true, please by all means show me the text. If you think that when a single price is given for things made up of multiple materials/pieces etc that this means they too are exempt from the pricing rules/guidelines, please , again, show me the cite.Until then, I see nothing beyond wishful thinking to indicate that materials used for magic item creation or for spell scribing are not subject to the same availability based on cost and region rules/guidelines that ALL OTHER ITEM/EQUIPMENT/MATERIALS are.awaiting the quote...I am sure it exists...</blockquote>

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