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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7183598">I'm not sure I'd agree that I'm arguing for hard niche protection.&nbsp; I very much have a preference for abilities that change how you use abilities that everybody can use, not that necessarily allow only you to use them.For example, the Swashbuckler ability to get Sneak Attacks with modified (but not eliminated) positional requirements means that Swashbucklers make different decisions during combat than other rogues do. Other rogues are free to use the same positioning; they just won't get SA damage.&nbsp; I think that's a great differentiator.But it's also really hard to design every ability to that standard, which is why I think opportunities to bring in more distinguishing abilities would be welcome.&nbsp; I don't dislike any of the Thief abilities for example, I just think it's too easy to go a session or two without your character feeling (mechanically) like a &quot;Thief&quot; instead of just a &quot;Rogue&quot;. And by making them Feats they wouldn't just be &quot;more&quot; they would be &quot;instead of&quot; (and optional for those who think they are unnecessary.)&nbsp; Which is pretty much how Feats can be used now: e.g. the aforementioned Thief could take &quot;Dungeon Delver&quot; and feel even more specialized.&nbsp; Dungeon Delver, admittedly, suffers the same limitation I was talking about earlier: it doesn't change behavior, it just gives you better rolls, but it does increase the feel of specialization.Not trying to persuade you of anything; just explaining how the game feels to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7183598"] I'm not sure I'd agree that I'm arguing for hard niche protection. I very much have a preference for abilities that change how you use abilities that everybody can use, not that necessarily allow only you to use them. For example, the Swashbuckler ability to get Sneak Attacks with modified (but not eliminated) positional requirements means that Swashbucklers make different decisions during combat than other rogues do. Other rogues are free to use the same positioning; they just won't get SA damage. I think that's a great differentiator. But it's also really hard to design every ability to that standard, which is why I think opportunities to bring in more distinguishing abilities would be welcome. I don't dislike any of the Thief abilities for example, I just think it's too easy to go a session or two without your character feeling (mechanically) like a "Thief" instead of just a "Rogue". And by making them Feats they wouldn't just be "more" they would be "instead of" (and optional for those who think they are unnecessary.) Which is pretty much how Feats can be used now: e.g. the aforementioned Thief could take "Dungeon Delver" and feel even more specialized. Dungeon Delver, admittedly, suffers the same limitation I was talking about earlier: it doesn't change behavior, it just gives you better rolls, but it does increase the feel of specialization. Not trying to persuade you of anything; just explaining how the game feels to me. [/QUOTE]

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