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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6769462" data-attributes="member: 6669384">I think someone is making a distinction without a difference.My blood is as much a &quot;product&quot; as my saliva or any other bodily fluid (to put it delicately).&nbsp; It's also a body part.The specific language in the spell goes farther than I mentioned earlier.&nbsp; It includes &quot;pieces of equipment&quot;.&nbsp; Not to suggest that spider's silk or venom is &quot;equipment&quot;, but the inclusion suggests an intent to include everything.&nbsp; If it's subject to the transformation and it gets separated, it reverts.As for birth:&nbsp; We're treading dangerously close to a very hot topic of social debate right now, discussing whether an offspring still in the womb is part of the mother or a separate being.&nbsp; However, by either definition, as soon as the offspring becomes a separate being, it is no longer affected by the spell.&nbsp; Either it wasn't affected in the first place, or the effect ends upon separation.Now, does this mean that someone changing into a venomous creature can't effectively poison someone?&nbsp; That's already answered in the spell description:So, no venom, no spider silk.&nbsp; They aren't listed as &quot;special attacks&quot; or &quot;special abilities&quot; granted by the spell.This by itself doesn't invalidate the &quot;product&quot; argument, however, it just invalidates the examples given.Out of curiosity, is there a Humanoid form with spider silk or venom?Closest I can think of would be the stench effect of the Troglodyte.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6769462, member: 6669384"] I think someone is making a distinction without a difference. My blood is as much a "product" as my saliva or any other bodily fluid (to put it delicately). It's also a body part. The specific language in the spell goes farther than I mentioned earlier. It includes "pieces of equipment". Not to suggest that spider's silk or venom is "equipment", but the inclusion suggests an intent to include everything. If it's subject to the transformation and it gets separated, it reverts. As for birth: We're treading dangerously close to a very hot topic of social debate right now, discussing whether an offspring still in the womb is part of the mother or a separate being. However, by either definition, as soon as the offspring becomes a separate being, it is no longer affected by the spell. Either it wasn't affected in the first place, or the effect ends upon separation. Now, does this mean that someone changing into a venomous creature can't effectively poison someone? That's already answered in the spell description: So, no venom, no spider silk. They aren't listed as "special attacks" or "special abilities" granted by the spell. This by itself doesn't invalidate the "product" argument, however, it just invalidates the examples given. Out of curiosity, is there a Humanoid form with spider silk or venom? Closest I can think of would be the stench effect of the Troglodyte. [/QUOTE]

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