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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 451232" data-attributes="member: 463">Kidnapping innocent person = evil, yup.&nbsp; Accidentally killing her is icing on the cake.Edit: As has been said, this sounds a lot like a Coen brothers plot.&nbsp; As GM I'd say this evil act would be enough to switch Good-aligned PCs to Neutral, but not Evil, straight off.&nbsp; Certainly it was a somewhat Chaotic act also.Also, I don't agree it was a bad GM call that the crit killed her - striking to subdue is still striking for damage, a crit is extra damage.&nbsp; A fumble would be missing her &amp; breaking or dropping your weapon, or hitting another party member, etc.Edit 2: Having said this doesn't make the PCs Evil per se doesn't mean that as a citizen of the town I wouldn't happily sentence them all to death - they're clearly a major Danger to Society!&nbsp; They're just too stupid to be (necessarily) Evil.Re 'adventurers routinely commit murder' - it all depends on who you kill, and why.&nbsp; If you take out the goblin raiders who've been attacking local farmsteads, the typical D&amp;D scenario, that's not evil.&nbsp; If you go slaughter the goblins who've never done any harm to anyone, that depends on the nature of goblins in the campaign - in my campaign it might well be evil, since goblins are just as much sentient beings as humans or elves, in some others goblins are inherently evil and killing them is always A-ok.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 451232, member: 463"] Kidnapping innocent person = evil, yup. Accidentally killing her is icing on the cake. Edit: As has been said, this sounds a lot like a Coen brothers plot. As GM I'd say this evil act would be enough to switch Good-aligned PCs to Neutral, but not Evil, straight off. Certainly it was a somewhat Chaotic act also. Also, I don't agree it was a bad GM call that the crit killed her - striking to subdue is still striking for damage, a crit is extra damage. A fumble would be missing her & breaking or dropping your weapon, or hitting another party member, etc. Edit 2: Having said this doesn't make the PCs Evil per se doesn't mean that as a citizen of the town I wouldn't happily sentence them all to death - they're clearly a major Danger to Society! They're just too stupid to be (necessarily) Evil. Re 'adventurers routinely commit murder' - it all depends on who you kill, and why. If you take out the goblin raiders who've been attacking local farmsteads, the typical D&D scenario, that's not evil. If you go slaughter the goblins who've never done any harm to anyone, that depends on the nature of goblins in the campaign - in my campaign it might well be evil, since goblins are just as much sentient beings as humans or elves, in some others goblins are inherently evil and killing them is always A-ok. [/QUOTE]

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