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<blockquote data-quote="Magius del Cotto" data-source="post: 452026" data-attributes="member: 6554">OK, this is how I view the sequence in general:Rogue's actions: CN or CE, either of which the rogue already is, so no big deal there.&nbsp; Probably not enough to shift the G/E balance, but that's up to interpritation.Kidnapping the daughter: Evil.&nbsp; I'm not going to justify it on the law/chaos access because in any event (lawful, chaotic, or neutral), kidnapping (and similar things) are defined the same (well, more or less, but that's another issue).Reasoning behind the kidnapping: Chaotic.Hitting her over the head with a sword: I don't think that this is, per se, evil, but rather stupid.&nbsp; She presented a situation that was bad, and the PCs tried to act on that.&nbsp; Sorta like how most of the &quot;orc massacres&quot; work...Killing her: Again, not necessarily evil, per se, but more stupid than anything else.&nbsp; This is probably going to seal their fate, no matter that it was unintentional.&nbsp; Of course, with a good DM, this situation could always be twisted to make an epic story.&nbsp; Of course, it's probably not going to happen.All in all, this was a relatively minor evil act (&quot;orc massacres&quot; anyone?), followed by a series of really stupid decisions.&nbsp; I'd say call a reset (dream sequence, time warp, whatever...) and start the adventure over again.&nbsp; If this sort of thing happens again, go ahead and have them face the flames, since they would have proven that they don't deserve that 14 intelligence that's floating around in the group somewhere.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Magius del Cotto, post: 452026, member: 6554"] OK, this is how I view the sequence in general: Rogue's actions: CN or CE, either of which the rogue already is, so no big deal there. Probably not enough to shift the G/E balance, but that's up to interpritation. Kidnapping the daughter: Evil. I'm not going to justify it on the law/chaos access because in any event (lawful, chaotic, or neutral), kidnapping (and similar things) are defined the same (well, more or less, but that's another issue). Reasoning behind the kidnapping: Chaotic. Hitting her over the head with a sword: I don't think that this is, per se, evil, but rather stupid. She presented a situation that was bad, and the PCs tried to act on that. Sorta like how most of the "orc massacres" work... Killing her: Again, not necessarily evil, per se, but more stupid than anything else. This is probably going to seal their fate, no matter that it was unintentional. Of course, with a good DM, this situation could always be twisted to make an epic story. Of course, it's probably not going to happen. All in all, this was a relatively minor evil act ("orc massacres" anyone?), followed by a series of really stupid decisions. I'd say call a reset (dream sequence, time warp, whatever...) and start the adventure over again. If this sort of thing happens again, go ahead and have them face the flames, since they would have proven that they don't deserve that 14 intelligence that's floating around in the group somewhere. [/QUOTE]

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