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<blockquote data-quote="David Argall" data-source="post: 452472" data-attributes="member: 4481">critical hit&quot;the DM made a terrible call saying that a critical success on a subdual strike results in a killing blow&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp; Not at all.&nbsp; a-A critical hit is one that does extra damage.&nbsp; It is not one that strikes to do precisely the amount of damage you want.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; If you are attacking this 5 hp NPC you want to take prisoner and decide to just whack away since your 1d8+2 will only put him in negatives and then you can do some healing...&nbsp; But you crit and do max damage, you have a dead body on your hands.&nbsp; The same applies to the kid.&nbsp; You crit her, you do more damage to her.&nbsp; Now we might argue that the rules do not really allow for subdual damage to be fatal, but this is obviously a flaw in the rules and the DM is entirely correct to make that a possibility.&nbsp; &nbsp; b-the prisons are full of people who killed someone violently, but unintentionally.&nbsp; It is an entirely reasonable result that the party tried to shut the kid up and were too successful.&nbsp; &nbsp; On the basic question, yes these are obviously evil actions and if the party is to avoid being evil, it has to do something.&nbsp; Whether it will want to, or what it will be are still questions.&nbsp; But the DM call of &quot;You killed your prisoner&quot; is a fine one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="David Argall, post: 452472, member: 4481"] [b]critical hit[/b] "the DM made a terrible call saying that a critical success on a subdual strike results in a killing blow" Not at all. a-A critical hit is one that does extra damage. It is not one that strikes to do precisely the amount of damage you want. If you are attacking this 5 hp NPC you want to take prisoner and decide to just whack away since your 1d8+2 will only put him in negatives and then you can do some healing... But you crit and do max damage, you have a dead body on your hands. The same applies to the kid. You crit her, you do more damage to her. Now we might argue that the rules do not really allow for subdual damage to be fatal, but this is obviously a flaw in the rules and the DM is entirely correct to make that a possibility. b-the prisons are full of people who killed someone violently, but unintentionally. It is an entirely reasonable result that the party tried to shut the kid up and were too successful. On the basic question, yes these are obviously evil actions and if the party is to avoid being evil, it has to do something. Whether it will want to, or what it will be are still questions. But the DM call of "You killed your prisoner" is a fine one. [/QUOTE]

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