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<blockquote data-quote="Magius del Cotto" data-source="post: 454696" data-attributes="member: 6554">Wow.&nbsp; I managed to say something that both sides of the argument took offense at...&nbsp; Interesting...Tsyr: I admit, I did overgeneralize with what I said, but the meaning is pretty much the same.&nbsp; I was going with something that I thought most DMs/players would understand.TBurdett:&nbsp; The events you describe would class the politician (note: not nobleman or mayor or any other title, just politician) as a definite evil person, the type of guy that adventurers go after.&nbsp; They kidnapped and killed one person, enough to get them locked up for a good long time, or even hung, but not enough to engender the sequence of events you describe.&nbsp; That goes beyond the realm of just punishment and into the realm of petty revenge and hate.&nbsp; Of course, it would allow for an interesting plot to develope...I still maintain that while the death itself isn't necissarily evil (as per my Orc point), the kidnapping that set the situation up was definitely Evil, and the reasons unlawful.&nbsp; I'm as much a moral relativist as the next guy, but I just can't see any way to twist the facts (unless the daughter was, indeed, an evil sorceress aiding her diabolical father in ruling the area with an iron fist, or some other such nonesense, which, I may add, hasn't been noted by the original poster) into making the kidnapping a good act or even make the reasons neutral.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Magius del Cotto, post: 454696, member: 6554"] Wow. I managed to say something that both sides of the argument took offense at... Interesting... Tsyr: I admit, I did overgeneralize with what I said, but the meaning is pretty much the same. I was going with something that I thought most DMs/players would understand. TBurdett: The events you describe would class the politician (note: not nobleman or mayor or any other title, just politician) as a definite evil person, the type of guy that adventurers go after. They kidnapped and killed one person, enough to get them locked up for a good long time, or even hung, but not enough to engender the sequence of events you describe. That goes beyond the realm of just punishment and into the realm of petty revenge and hate. Of course, it would allow for an interesting plot to develope... I still maintain that while the death itself isn't necissarily evil (as per my Orc point), the kidnapping that set the situation up was definitely Evil, and the reasons unlawful. I'm as much a moral relativist as the next guy, but I just can't see any way to twist the facts (unless the daughter was, indeed, an evil sorceress aiding her diabolical father in ruling the area with an iron fist, or some other such nonesense, which, I may add, hasn't been noted by the original poster) into making the kidnapping a good act or even make the reasons neutral. [/QUOTE]

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