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<blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 458991" data-attributes="member: 3051">Re: I'll just stick my head in. Don't bite it off, please.To me, that shouldn't matter.&nbsp; The player with the sword was effectively breaking the 11th Commandment: &quot;Thou shalt not metagame&quot;.Hitting the girl with a large, heavy object, something that in the real world has a chance of killing even when attempting to use it nonlethally, is WRONG.&nbsp; The player thought he could get away with it, though.&nbsp; He did something his morality shouldn't have let him do simply because he didn't think there was a downside.&nbsp; That's a failure at the roleplaying level, for one thing.Let's also remember that the way you knock someone out is by hitting them so hard in the head that their brain bounces against their skull.&nbsp; It SHOULD have a possibility of error.As to whether the crit should have done lethal damage, I personally say that since you take a -4 to attack subdually, if you fail the attack by 4 or less you do lethal damage (i.e., you rolled well enough to do a normal hit, so you do that normal hit instead of the subdual one).&nbsp; Sorta like how when firing into melee, if you missed by 4 or less you hit the other person.&nbsp; This definitely gives you an incentive NOT to try this, and gives a large advantage to using subdual weapons like saps instead of improvising.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Spatzimaus, post: 458991, member: 3051"] [b]Re: I'll just stick my head in. Don't bite it off, please.[/b] To me, that shouldn't matter. The player with the sword was effectively breaking the 11th Commandment: "Thou shalt not metagame". Hitting the girl with a large, heavy object, something that in the real world has a chance of killing even when attempting to use it nonlethally, is WRONG. The player thought he could get away with it, though. He did something his morality shouldn't have let him do simply because he didn't think there was a downside. That's a failure at the roleplaying level, for one thing. Let's also remember that the way you knock someone out is by hitting them so hard in the head that their brain bounces against their skull. It SHOULD have a possibility of error. As to whether the crit should have done lethal damage, I personally say that since you take a -4 to attack subdually, if you fail the attack by 4 or less you do lethal damage (i.e., you rolled well enough to do a normal hit, so you do that normal hit instead of the subdual one). Sorta like how when firing into melee, if you missed by 4 or less you hit the other person. This definitely gives you an incentive NOT to try this, and gives a large advantage to using subdual weapons like saps instead of improvising. [/QUOTE]

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