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<blockquote data-quote="Hellzon" data-source="post: 459151" data-attributes="member: 6150">ClarificationsBut it doesn't. Not by the rules. What I was trying to say, and perhaps didn't, was that if we continue my resoning, the rules of the game are the laws of physics in the DnD world. It's a cinematic world with cinematic laws of physics (think Arnie's: The last action hero) and if these rules/laws are constant, the CHARACHTERS would never even have HEARD of someone _accidentially_ killing someone, just like Jack Slater in abovementioned movie (good one, go see it) winds up in our world and thinks he can still smash windows with his bare hand without getting cut. So if the charachters have never heard of someone accidentially being bludgeoned to death (since people can't be, according to the rules) it's not metagaming to try to knock someone out with the back of a sword, and when that resulted in death, good roleplaying would make the charachters believe in The DM/Chtulhu/Inconsistency in the laws of physics/The Matrix. (OK, I'll stop referring to films now. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )Didn't know about the 'firing into melee'-rule. (And I'm a rules lawyer, can you tell? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ) However, I doubt the charachter who hit missed by 4 or less, I bet he rolled more like 'twice as much as he needed to hit'. Besides, as our DM put it, the -4 penalty is to avoid mishaps, such as hitting your ally with a bow or killing your target when you meant to subdue.Let me just repeat what I said in my post above, so I don't get eaten: Of course the act was evil!That would be it. Good night, gentlemen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hellzon, post: 459151, member: 6150"] [b]Clarifications[/b] But it doesn't. Not by the rules. What I was trying to say, and perhaps didn't, was that if we continue my resoning, the rules of the game are the laws of physics in the DnD world. It's a cinematic world with cinematic laws of physics (think Arnie's: The last action hero) and if these rules/laws are constant, the CHARACHTERS would never even have HEARD of someone _accidentially_ killing someone, just like Jack Slater in abovementioned movie (good one, go see it) winds up in our world and thinks he can still smash windows with his bare hand without getting cut. So if the charachters have never heard of someone accidentially being bludgeoned to death (since people can't be, according to the rules) it's not metagaming to try to knock someone out with the back of a sword, and when that resulted in death, good roleplaying would make the charachters believe in The DM/Chtulhu/Inconsistency in the laws of physics/The Matrix. (OK, I'll stop referring to films now. ;) ) Didn't know about the 'firing into melee'-rule. (And I'm a rules lawyer, can you tell? ;) ) However, I doubt the charachter who hit missed by 4 or less, I bet he rolled more like 'twice as much as he needed to hit'. Besides, as our DM put it, the -4 penalty is to avoid mishaps, such as hitting your ally with a bow or killing your target when you meant to subdue. Let me just repeat what I said in my post above, so I don't get eaten: Of course the act was evil! That would be it. Good night, gentlemen. [/QUOTE]

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