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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thornir Alekeg" data-source="post: 3412524" data-attributes="member: 15651">Is it unfair?  I think it isn't but could be perceived as unfair by your players (which is almost the same as being unfair unless you like to argue these things with them).  An appropriate EL encounter is supposed to use about 25% of the party's resources.  One that is higher is expected to use more.  If the party is evenly matched then it isn't unfair, it just should be expected that they will need to use every resource they have and the chance of them succeeding is only about even.  Things I would consider, to keep your players from thinking it is unfair:Will the monsters be equipped with items that deal non-lethal damage, or will they have the penalty from using lethal weapons?  Will the party have had a chance to be fully rested/full spells when this happens?Somehow, although you have not written it, I ended up with the feeling this would be an ambush situation.  If the opponents have a great chance of surprise and they manage to knock out a PC or two fast, then the PCs chances are greatly reduced.  What happens if half the party is knocked out and the rest flee and hide?  Will the subdued half be captured and taken away?  Will the then reduced party still have to face these same foes to rescue their comrades?</blockquote>