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<blockquote data-quote="Capellan" data-source="post: 452523" data-attributes="member: 6294">Are you also planning to allow them to use the unarmed attacks routine (ie 1 attack per 3 BAB instead of 5), or just the damage?&nbsp; I have assumed the latter below.&nbsp; The former would make this ability considerably more powerful.Another question to consider is small monks ... their hand to hand damage is lower than that of medium-sized monks.&nbsp; What damage do you intend them to do with shuriken?&nbsp; It seems unreasonable to give them reduced damage.&nbsp; I've assumed below that everyone gets the 'full' medium-sized damage.At low levels, a single shuriken will do d6 damage instead of 1 point.&nbsp; Given that they are throwing only one per attack instead of three, that's average damage of 3.5 instead of 3.&nbsp; No big deal.At 4th level the we're looking at 4.5 vs 3. and by 16th we're looking at 10.5 vs 3.&nbsp; So a Monk with Shuriken would be three and a half times as dangerous as anyone else with the same BAB.&nbsp; That's a pretty significant boost in comparative sense, but that's not the whole story.Let's consider a Monk with Composite Longbow proficiency (maybe they're an Elf, or maybe they just took the feat).&nbsp; This Monk would probably be inflicting in the order of D8+4 points of damage per attack (assuming an 18 strength and a mighty weapon - certainly not unlikely at that level).&nbsp; That's an average 8.5 points of damage per hit, not including any magical bonuses the bow or arrows might have.&nbsp; It would also be possible to inflict this damage at far greater range than the shuriken can be used, and has a better critical (x3, rather than x2).So the short answer is that it is probably OK from a game balance point of view ... and might help the monk retain a distinctive missile style all of their own.&nbsp; I can't see any obvious reasons not to give it a try, though you might like to develop an explanation as to why shuriken (and only shuriken) enjoy this advantage - your PCs are likely to ask why doesn't it apply for thrown daggers, for instance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Capellan, post: 452523, member: 6294"] Are you also planning to allow them to use the unarmed attacks routine (ie 1 attack per 3 BAB instead of 5), or just the damage? I have assumed the latter below. The former would make this ability considerably more powerful. Another question to consider is small monks ... their hand to hand damage is lower than that of medium-sized monks. What damage do you intend them to do with shuriken? It seems unreasonable to give them reduced damage. I've assumed below that everyone gets the 'full' medium-sized damage. At low levels, a single shuriken will do d6 damage instead of 1 point. Given that they are throwing only one per attack instead of three, that's average damage of 3.5 instead of 3. No big deal. At 4th level the we're looking at 4.5 vs 3. and by 16th we're looking at 10.5 vs 3. So a Monk with Shuriken would be three and a half times as dangerous as anyone else with the same BAB. That's a pretty significant boost in comparative sense, but that's not the whole story. Let's consider a Monk with Composite Longbow proficiency (maybe they're an Elf, or maybe they just took the feat). This Monk would probably be inflicting in the order of D8+4 points of damage per attack (assuming an 18 strength and a mighty weapon - certainly not unlikely at that level). That's an average 8.5 points of damage per hit, not including any magical bonuses the bow or arrows might have. It would also be possible to inflict this damage at [i]far[/i] greater range than the shuriken can be used, and has a better critical (x3, rather than x2). So the short answer is that it is probably OK from a game balance point of view ... and might help the monk retain a distinctive missile style all of their own. I can't see any obvious reasons not to give it a try, though you might like to develop an explanation as to why shuriken (and only shuriken) enjoy this advantage - your PCs are likely to ask why doesn't it apply for thrown daggers, for instance. [/QUOTE]

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