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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6993501" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>Do you know what I expect? People to have honest conversation. Not say one thing, and when pointed out how that thing is not correct, completely shift goal posts and make a dig at the other person. "Pretend I'm right"? There is no pretending. What you said was wrong. Objectively and provably so as I pointed out. Own up to it. You weren't talking about discussing merits of the current design, you said the current design does not do things that it does. 2e didn't have feat at all. So 5e, by including feats, <em>objectively</em> includes that 3e playstyle because a) it does have feats and b) those feats give additional options to the player to use---something you said doesn't exist.</p><p></p><p>There's a world of difference between "this doesn't work exactly like 3e like I want" and "this doesn't exist at all."</p><p></p><p>This is exactly what I was just talking about earlier. Just because you don't use something or if it doesn't meet your personal preferences, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So if you're going to make a false claim, be prepared to be pointed out how that's false. Don't blame other people for pointing that out and take ownership for your own claims.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6993501, member: 15700"] Do you know what I expect? People to have honest conversation. Not say one thing, and when pointed out how that thing is not correct, completely shift goal posts and make a dig at the other person. "Pretend I'm right"? There is no pretending. What you said was wrong. Objectively and provably so as I pointed out. Own up to it. You weren't talking about discussing merits of the current design, you said the current design does not do things that it does. 2e didn't have feat at all. So 5e, by including feats, [i]objectively[/i] includes that 3e playstyle because a) it does have feats and b) those feats give additional options to the player to use---something you said doesn't exist. There's a world of difference between "this doesn't work exactly like 3e like I want" and "this doesn't exist at all." This is exactly what I was just talking about earlier. Just because you don't use something or if it doesn't meet your personal preferences, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So if you're going to make a false claim, be prepared to be pointed out how that's false. Don't blame other people for pointing that out and take ownership for your own claims. [/QUOTE]
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