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<blockquote data-quote="ConcreteBuddha" data-source="post: 139207" data-attributes="member: 3139">&quot;However, a tiny Gate that could take only a small - say, one inch in diameter - ball of steel could be made permanent with the Permanency spell. Now, imagine throwing this Gate upon a flat disc of steel. Making the little Gate permanently. Now, imagine two such flat discs of steel, each with a Gate cast on them, and permanency. You cast Reverse Gravity on the glass, twice. You then cast Permanency on the glass, twice. Now, Reverse Gravity is only a 7th level spell. If a 7th level spell can negate gravity, there is no question that 7th level magic could alter gravity over a specific area, to a specific extent. This effect, could be made permanent. 9th level magic could alter gravity much more yet, over an even greater area yet. Or, alter gravity very greatly, over a tiny area. And this, too, can be made permanent.Would the above, work?&quot;That's a lot o' Permanency spells there, buster...&quot;The DM may allow other selected spells to be made permanent... If the DM has already determined that the application is not possible, the research automatically fails.&quot; PHB pg. 234The spells you stated as being made permanent are not on the list on page 234.If your DM is a pushover and allows you to Permanency every spell in the book, then yes, the above would work.However, may I suggest a better alternative? Permanent Summon Monster IXInfinite numbers of outsiders who do your every command. That's kinda neat. And you don't have to go destroying innocent little crystal spheres... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="ConcreteBuddha, post: 139207, member: 3139"] "However, a tiny Gate that could take only a small - say, one inch in diameter - ball of steel could be made permanent with the Permanency spell. Now, imagine throwing this Gate upon a flat disc of steel. Making the little Gate permanently. Now, imagine two such flat discs of steel, each with a Gate cast on them, and permanency. You cast Reverse Gravity on the glass, twice. You then cast Permanency on the glass, twice. Now, Reverse Gravity is only a 7th level spell. If a 7th level spell can negate gravity, there is no question that 7th level magic could alter gravity over a specific area, to a specific extent. This effect, could be made permanent. 9th level magic could alter gravity much more yet, over an even greater area yet. Or, alter gravity very greatly, over a tiny area. And this, too, can be made permanent. Would the above, work?" That's a lot o' Permanency spells there, buster... "The DM may allow other selected spells to be made permanent... If the DM has already determined that the application is not possible, the research automatically fails." PHB pg. 234 The spells you stated as being made permanent are not on the list on page 234. If your DM is a pushover and allows you to Permanency every spell in the book, then yes, the above would work. However, may I suggest a better alternative? Permanent Summon Monster IX Infinite numbers of outsiders who do your every command. That's kinda neat. And you don't have to go destroying innocent little crystal spheres... ;) [/QUOTE]

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