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Would you allow this paladin in your game? (new fiction added 11/11/08)
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<blockquote data-quote="Darkness" data-source="post: 1952377" data-attributes="member: 13"><p>This question is a little complex. Some things to keep in mind when trying to answer it:</p><p></p><p>First of all, requiring a paladin to have a patron deity is a house rule. The RAW in the PHB do not require it. (PHB, p.43)</p><p>FR (and GH too IIRC) does require it, though, so it's not an uncommon rule.</p><p></p><p>Second... Even if a paladin has a patron deity, this deity does not necessarily have to be LG too. A common rule (e.g., in FR) is a maximum of 1 step removed. Somehow, I don't think we'd be having this discussion if we all were thinking of Cedric following a NG deity. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>Examples of non-LG FR deities who have paladins: Azuth (LN), Chauntea (NG), Helm (LN), Kelemvor (LN), Lathander (NG), Sune (CG, an exception). Less prominent deities can have paladins too of course (e.g., Red Knight might have some).</p><p></p><p>Third... Wenching does not, in itself, violate the paladin code of conduct. <span style="font-size: 9px">(Unless you house-rule it, of course.)</span></p><p>Situations in which the articles of the code could be violated: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"Respect legitimate authority." (If prostitution is illegal, which is unlikely but whatever, or a wartime commander forbids it, etc.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"Act with honor." (If the paladin is in a kind of marriage that forbids this.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"Help those in need." (If the prostitutes are virtual slaves or similar.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"Punish those who harm or threaten innocents." (Ditto.)</li> </ul><p>Drinking doesn't violate it either but you should be careful.</p><p></p><p>Fourth, a character's alignment depends on all of their (somewhat recent) actions, not just a few select ones. As long as the paladin stays LG, he's fine. <span style="font-size: 9px">(Assuming he doesn't violate the CoC, obviously. See above.)</span></p><p></p><p>Right, so much for the rules part.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So... What kind of deity am I? A deity of justice? Of good itself? The sun? Strategy? Retribution? Family? Hugs and puppies?</p><p>Paladin deities vary quite a bit in their outlook so it kinda depends...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darkness, post: 1952377, member: 13"] This question is a little complex. Some things to keep in mind when trying to answer it: First of all, requiring a paladin to have a patron deity is a house rule. The RAW in the PHB do not require it. (PHB, p.43) FR (and GH too IIRC) does require it, though, so it's not an uncommon rule. Second... Even if a paladin has a patron deity, this deity does not necessarily have to be LG too. A common rule (e.g., in FR) is a maximum of 1 step removed. Somehow, I don't think we'd be having this discussion if we all were thinking of Cedric following a NG deity. ;) Examples of non-LG FR deities who have paladins: Azuth (LN), Chauntea (NG), Helm (LN), Kelemvor (LN), Lathander (NG), Sune (CG, an exception). Less prominent deities can have paladins too of course (e.g., Red Knight might have some). Third... Wenching does not, in itself, violate the paladin code of conduct. [size=1](Unless you house-rule it, of course.)[/size] Situations in which the articles of the code could be violated:[list][*]"Respect legitimate authority." (If prostitution is illegal, which is unlikely but whatever, or a wartime commander forbids it, etc.)[*]"Act with honor." (If the paladin is in a kind of marriage that forbids this.)[*]"Help those in need." (If the prostitutes are virtual slaves or similar.)[*]"Punish those who harm or threaten innocents." (Ditto.)[/list] Drinking doesn't violate it either but you should be careful. Fourth, a character's alignment depends on all of their (somewhat recent) actions, not just a few select ones. As long as the paladin stays LG, he's fine. [size=1](Assuming he doesn't violate the CoC, obviously. See above.)[/size] Right, so much for the rules part. So... What kind of deity am I? A deity of justice? Of good itself? The sun? Strategy? Retribution? Family? Hugs and puppies? Paladin deities vary quite a bit in their outlook so it kinda depends... [/QUOTE]
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