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Would you allow this paladin in your game? (new fiction added 11/11/08)
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<blockquote data-quote="John Morrow" data-source="post: 1953104" data-attributes="member: 27012"><p>Just because someone claims that they are murdering children in the name of God does not make such behavior acceptable and holy. In fact, I think a lot of people confuse how cultures behave with what a culture finds good or acceptable. They are rarely the same thing. Just because a behavior is common in a culture does not mean that that behavior is either good or admired by that culture. In fact, you can find plenty of Greeks, Romans, and others who sound just like 19th Century Protestants when complaining out the excesses of their own culture.</p><p></p><p>While it is true, for example, that prostitution was historically legal and accepted in Japan, does that really mean that it was considered good or admirable? Did any Samurai want his daughters to become a prostitute? Would he marry one? And what do Japanese women think of their husbands going to other women just for fun? Could that be part of the reason why the marriage rate is so low in modern Japan, now that women have some say over their fate thanks to a post-War constitution pushed on Japan by the United States that grants them equal rights. Spend some time in Tokyo. Admire the posters telling men not to grope women in the subways. Widely done? Yes. Good? No. </p><p></p><p>And while it is true that many Christians raped, pillaged, murdered, and tortured in the name of God, it's also important to note that these practices were condemned by plenty of other Christians, both historically and today. It's important to note that the Inquisition had limits and followed procedures. And just because these people claimed that what they were doing was God's work does not mean that everyone believed it, then or now, nor does it mean that they were actually doing God's work.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, the world isn't black and white but I think you'll be hard pressed to find any place where prostitution is better than a dull medium gray, where people are indifferent to it, or where people actually admire it.</p><p></p><p>Would you want your sister to choose prostitution as a profession? (Please remember that it is quite legal in Nevada, so objections on the grounds that it is illegal are not valid.) Would you want your daughter to choose prostitution as a profession? Would you want your mother to turn to prostitution to earn some extra money for the family? </p><p></p><p>For the men...</p><p></p><p>Would be indifferent to marrying a woman who was a prostitute or ex-prostitute? Would you want your wife to be a practicing prostitute to earn a little extra money for the family? </p><p></p><p>Remember, all of those prostitutes would be someone's daughter and could be someone's sister or mother. All of those prostitutes would be real women who have a life, dreams, and a future. And while it might make you feel better to think of prostitutes as willing women who enjoy their work, women who will suffer no social penalties for their work, and women who serve nothing but clients who treat them well, the real world just doesn't fit that ideal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A bias often at work here is a Hollywood bias...</p><p></p><p>If GMs provided settings that were realistic rather than what has been described as "Hollywood" earlier in this thread, I think that the reasoning behind conventional morality would be a lot more clear than people are claiming it is. It's easy to support recreational prostitution when you never ask the prostitute her name, never worry about how she got into the profession, never worry about whether she really enjoys it or not, never worry about what she does with the rest of her life, and never worry about what's going to happen to her when (and if) she reaches the age of 50 and can't find clients anymore.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Morrow, post: 1953104, member: 27012"] Just because someone claims that they are murdering children in the name of God does not make such behavior acceptable and holy. In fact, I think a lot of people confuse how cultures behave with what a culture finds good or acceptable. They are rarely the same thing. Just because a behavior is common in a culture does not mean that that behavior is either good or admired by that culture. In fact, you can find plenty of Greeks, Romans, and others who sound just like 19th Century Protestants when complaining out the excesses of their own culture. While it is true, for example, that prostitution was historically legal and accepted in Japan, does that really mean that it was considered good or admirable? Did any Samurai want his daughters to become a prostitute? Would he marry one? And what do Japanese women think of their husbands going to other women just for fun? Could that be part of the reason why the marriage rate is so low in modern Japan, now that women have some say over their fate thanks to a post-War constitution pushed on Japan by the United States that grants them equal rights. Spend some time in Tokyo. Admire the posters telling men not to grope women in the subways. Widely done? Yes. Good? No. And while it is true that many Christians raped, pillaged, murdered, and tortured in the name of God, it's also important to note that these practices were condemned by plenty of other Christians, both historically and today. It's important to note that the Inquisition had limits and followed procedures. And just because these people claimed that what they were doing was God's work does not mean that everyone believed it, then or now, nor does it mean that they were actually doing God's work. No, the world isn't black and white but I think you'll be hard pressed to find any place where prostitution is better than a dull medium gray, where people are indifferent to it, or where people actually admire it. Would you want your sister to choose prostitution as a profession? (Please remember that it is quite legal in Nevada, so objections on the grounds that it is illegal are not valid.) Would you want your daughter to choose prostitution as a profession? Would you want your mother to turn to prostitution to earn some extra money for the family? For the men... Would be indifferent to marrying a woman who was a prostitute or ex-prostitute? Would you want your wife to be a practicing prostitute to earn a little extra money for the family? Remember, all of those prostitutes would be someone's daughter and could be someone's sister or mother. All of those prostitutes would be real women who have a life, dreams, and a future. And while it might make you feel better to think of prostitutes as willing women who enjoy their work, women who will suffer no social penalties for their work, and women who serve nothing but clients who treat them well, the real world just doesn't fit that ideal. A bias often at work here is a Hollywood bias... If GMs provided settings that were realistic rather than what has been described as "Hollywood" earlier in this thread, I think that the reasoning behind conventional morality would be a lot more clear than people are claiming it is. It's easy to support recreational prostitution when you never ask the prostitute her name, never worry about how she got into the profession, never worry about whether she really enjoys it or not, never worry about what she does with the rest of her life, and never worry about what's going to happen to her when (and if) she reaches the age of 50 and can't find clients anymore. [/QUOTE]
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