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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sylevus" data-source="post: 1955513" data-attributes="member: 13857">If we analyze per the PHB description of a paladin.... with selected excerpts."Few have the purity and devotion..."Cedric is lacking in both...  A rough edged paladin still needs a purity of purpose, and some sort of devotion.   .. "those few are rewarded"..Hence recommending fighter/cleric to maintain the concept.."Even a mundane mission ...is an opportunity..to demonstrate bravery"Brave and consigned are not the same thing.   He is consigned, but not very brave."Becoming a paladin is answering a call..."Some have ventured that Cedric is forced to act, that is not the same as answering a call.   As a cleric/fighter he can still answer the compulsion to act, and perform all the tasks listed in the character description."Code of Conduct: A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class abilities if she ever willingly commits an evil act.Additionally, a paladin’s code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents."The issue of prostitution has to be handled per the class description, because we are asked in general if the character is acceptable.   Rule zero always applies, but as a general look at paladins indulging in prostitutes without any guilt about doing so is not quite right.   Considering the manners and temperament of most who would, the number of conflicts caused by him protecting the girls would almost outway the benefit of having him.  Especially if it affected overall business.   The average madame cares about the health of her girls, but the profits more so.   Turnover is a given in that industry.That being said, I think his endorsing the business contributes to the delinquency and harm of the staff, and his failure to act in any circumstance where someone is threatened/harmed would be grounds for losing his powers.Legalized prostitution can be lawful, but is rarely good.   A high class establishment would have temple priests of some pro-sex deity to care for the girls, they would not cater long to a surly paladin...  Therefore he has to be acting from the lower class establishments..bringing in all the above conflicts."Associates: While she may adventure with characters of any good or neutral alignment, a paladin will never knowingly associate with evil characters, nor will she continue an association with someone who consistently offends her moral code. A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good."In this case moral code is not adequately defined.   Without a specific deity or pantheon brought into play we can not tell if he SHOULD be morally outraged by the conduct.   Given the controlling nature of the sex industry/slavery implications, associating with a house of ill repute does not examplify purity or devotion.   Its been mentioned that his bleak outlook shows little faith...  All in all I can not see anything that justifies him being a paladin.The character concept is acceptable, but hopefully has room for growth. Perhaps over time he can redeem his lack of faith.   "No one, no matter how diligent can become a paladin through practice.  The nature is either within one or not".   You are effectively creating a fallen paladin out the gate.   Questing for/finding a cause for redemption would be a pretty epic goal for this character.   A sharp player can tease his adventuring group with glimmers of who Cedric could be.   Eventually, after finding a cause and potentially risking self-sacrifice you could acchieve paladinhood and as a DM I would gladly exchange previous classes for paladin levels with the caveat that should he fall into old practices, the old character sheet comes back out.   Overall players fail as paladins because they give in to the baser instincts.   Geez, my paladin has to go along or I have to kill the party.   Heck no!  LEAD!!!  Inspire!  Be a hero!  Guilt them in to doing the right thing!  Don't obsess over killing the enemies of your faith too much, that is your calling after all.   But for all the people clamoring about how a devout paladin is boring because its so stereotypical... can't we say the same for all the chaotic neutral badass attitudes today?  Sorry, I am in the game to have a good time, not get away with things I know better than to do in real life.   (Same players HATE it when you apply realistic reactions to said behaviors in game...)</blockquote>

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