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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 1962377" data-attributes="member: 198">I'm not ignoring problems with the lifestyle. I'm just saying that the lifestyle isn't a black-and-white thing, so there are ways and situations where a paladin can interact with it while fitting the requirements of the class in the PHB. If a paladin were consorting with and taking advantage of prostitutes who were essentially slaves, would it be a problem? Of course. To use an analogy, paladins consort with priests regularly. There are also evil priests who torture and kill the helpless. Does that mean a paladin can't consort with priests at all? Nope. Just that he can only consort with the right kind. Well, that wasn't the set-up I began with. That's what I added later to flesh out the character, and as I've said before, if you don't care for it, feel free to ignore it in your discussion. There isn't a point on this thread where I've said, "His god accepts him, so he must be a paladin", and I'm not about to.But I do view those objections as subjective. You obviously don't. So we disagree. Nothing wrong with that.Don't forget that I'm explicitly focusing on the 3e PHB paladin as written. Not the archetype. Not the conceptions which people may have from playing paladins in earlier versions of D&D. Not the literary versions. Did you notice that (IIRC) the PHB description of the paladin never mentions "leadership", for example? Tabula rasa, baby!Of course! I thought that completely went without saying. I've been saying from the beginning that Cedric is an atypical paladin. But, from my perspective, he is a character who still fits the parameters of the PHB paladin as written.True. Which is fine, because Cedric's not a typical paladin. Perhaps, but I doubt it.And these are the places where we disagree on what, IMO, are matters of interpretation and taste. No arguments about the first point. I enjoy E-B's posts, even if I generally don't agree. And for the latter, obviously I disagree. I think I am pushing to the envelope to the edge - and stopping there. As I mentioned before, I think it's good to stand on the brink of the abyss and look in unwaveringly.</blockquote>

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