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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ormiss" data-source="post: 2038556" data-attributes="member: 26362">Gack, I didn't want to get involved in a discussion about prostitution and child labor. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> In response, let me just explain what I meant. In general, the defense of prostitution that has been brought up in this thread states that women often turned to prostitution because it was the best choice out there. In China and other countries, children work because they don't care to starve to death along with their families. It's a choice, but it's still not a good one from our point of view. I just meant that people should keep this in mind, but I don't want to get into an expansive discussion because both prostitution and child labor are tricky subjects. Generally speaking, I'm against both, though, but that's not the point of this thread. Feel free to send me an e-mail if you want to discuss it further without hijacking the thread.As for the comments on paladins and child labor, I would say that firstly, obviously the idea that children shouldn't work is largely a concoction of our modern society. It's a noble idea, but it doesn't work that well in a society that doesn't have a well-developed foundation of health care and social security. That said, I feel that a paladin should strive to ensure that no woman needs to prostitute herself and that no child or other being should work under inhuman conditions. Obviously there's a big difference between someone offering a child work and a person who takes advantage of impoverished children for labor.About drinking: I might've given the wrong impression here. I did not mean that a paladin--or anyone else--should be disallowed to have a glass of wine or ale during a ceremony or even dinner, only that they should not submit to drug abuse of any form. Anything that is addictive (such as chocolate) could be said to be a drug, but unless it impairs your judgment, it's fairly harmless. From the flavor, I did not feel that Sir Cedric drank with moderation, however.I agree about the difference, though that's a matter for a universe more gray than D&D. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Mainly, Sir Cedric's comment about being entitled to drink and carouse with women because he fights the good fight was what made me feel he was being mercenary. It's extrapolation, certainly, but that's the impression I got from the flavor.In general, I just think the meeting between the squire Magnus and Sir Cedric made the latter seem depressingly uninspiring. Everything else aside, this paladin is spurious in my eyes based on the fact that his code of conduct does not make him an example to others.</blockquote>

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