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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Navar" data-source="post: 2039319" data-attributes="member: 2313">I know this quote is from WAY early in this thread, but all of the points are good.  I thought I would throw in my 2 cents.It is correct that a paladin does not require a patron deity, but my comments assume that a "Holy Warrior" has devoted himself to a god.  The Champion in Monte Cook's AU is MUCH better for a fighter who is devoted to an ideal.The crux of the reason I voted no is because part of the paladin's code is to "Respect legitimate authority."  There are just TOO many legitimate authorities in a paladin's life (IMHO) to have NONE of them have a problem with his whoring and drinking.  His god likley will have a problem of getting Sex for Money.  If he was a Paladin of Jesus then I would 100% say no (and I think that anyone else would as well.)  But I can't think of any god that allows paladins that would be ok with sex for money.  Even a god of sex would likley be offended that someone is out there paying for it.  Also Church elder's likley don't like having a paladin who pays for sex.  There are several problems with the sex for money thing (if thought out) brings up.  Those women tend to spread diesease.  LG churches likley have a problem with something like this.  Also they tend to attract women who arn't emotionally steady and allow them to make their lives worse.  I think that if the genders on this board were reversed this would have been a resounding NO."Act with honor." is another paladin code option that hurts his paladin.  Pride and Professionalism start with your self.  Your personal appearance is how you honor not just yourself, but also those around you.  In fact I think that paladins likley have a problem with the sin of Pride.  But taking care of yourself (wearing nice clean cloths, Shaving, personal hygene in general, etc.) is where honor starts.  In fact I would not allow a paladin who didn't take care of himself.  This point of the code doesn't depend on a god either.  You either have self respect, or you don't, but without self respect then you can't have honor.  The drinking aspect I am actually OK with depending on 2 conditions.#1 He doesn't drink to excess.#2 He doesn't spent too much money on the drink.#2 would be a problem though if the paladin liked food too much as well though.  I would have a hard time having a paladin who spent 5 gp on every meal because he liked only the finest foods.  A truley Pious paladin would have spartan living quarters and simple meals, but great armour, weapons, and holy items.  (and simple meals doesn't mean Bad food, plain bread (no mold), simple meat, a vegetable, and good clean water would be great.)</blockquote>

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