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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 2360702" data-attributes="member: 5143">This is kind of a sticky situation, and is rather part of this discussion.  IMHO, people who demean themselves shouldn't be insulted, they should be helped, pitied.  This is because I believe that people can be "enslaved" internally as well as externally.  People who objectify themselves, no matter how much they will argue otherwise, see themselves as an object.  This isn't a very healthy image as it tends to devalue your place in the world.I don't want to live in a society where a portion of its members don't even care about themselves (yes, I'm aware I already DO live in such a society).How this relates to this discussion?  It has to do with Honor, which is one of the tennents of the Paladin's code.  Honor is about doing what is "right", even if there are easier ways, even if ways that might not be evil or chaotic are available, if the act is in question, it should be done.For instance, in a society, it might be considered commonplace to ask a woman's father for her hand in marriage before marrying her.  It might not be illegal not to, it certainly isn't evil not to.  However, it shows a lack of honor, which a Paladin must display.  This means honoring themselves, honoring traditions, and honouring the people around them.  Treating tham all with respect, dignity, and valuing them all as people.  Staring at someone's naked body isn't valuing them as a person, it is valuing them as an object.  It is removing half of the person (their mind/soul).</blockquote>

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