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Would you allow this paladin in your game? (new fiction added 11/11/08)
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<blockquote data-quote="Furby076" data-source="post: 2783905" data-attributes="member: 32161"><p>If I may respond.</p><p></p><p>First, it is your opinion you are speaking of, and the "strawman" argument doesn't qualify here. Many many countries legalized prostitution and I am not talking about forced/slave prostitution. Not to mention, our own country allow prostitution on wholesale until the 20th century. Now it is governed on a state level.</p><p></p><p>1) I am not folloing the first sentence at all. </p><p>Nobody said prostitution was idyllic. It isn't a halo profession. Not many women want to have sex with random, strange men who might be disgusting. That doesn't mean every prostitute is doing this job because she is a slave. There are many women who choose to do this on their own, and in the course of a short night make thousands of dollars - if not more (some of the higher ends make anywhere from 10-50k/night).</p><p></p><p>2)When we are talking RAW we are talking Rules as Written, not Rules as Interpreted. Where in the RAW does it flat out say "Prostitution is wrong" or some such words. In fact, the only topic it came close to brooch is with regards to drugs. Defenders of the Faith, page 9, "The Code and the DM" sidebar says paladins should do things in moderation - EVEN substances that alter perceptions aka DRUGS! The RAW says a paladin can do drugs!</p><p></p><p>That is fine if you don't care about the RAW, but you cited the RAW a number of times so it must matter somewhat. As for your views of morality...well a d100 does have enough facets to cover the full spectrum of people's morality. You may consider prostitution evil - but not everyone does...in fact, i'd wager the majority of the world disagrees with you.</p><p></p><p>3) You don't know why each and every woman decided to become a prostitute. Maybe one specific girl is dumb as doornails and realizes that is the only way she will make good money. Maybe another girl wants to have sex with many men and get the benefit of pay. Maybe another is paying her way through college. Maybe another wants to make 25k/night. Then there are those who are looking to live on the streets because they can't find a job - but nobody forced them to be prostitutes. There are MANY homeless men/women who are not prostitutes. There are many homeless people who got off the streets without resorting to crime. You cannot generalize for every prostitute.</p><p></p><p>4) As far as destitute - I disagree with you, and I disagree with the person who said "destitute" and relating it to prostitution as if to be a prositute you have to be destitute. Again, we cannot speak for each and every woman - but I am pretty sure the girl making 25k/night (for ONE guy) is not destitute...in fact, she is going to retire after one year's worth of work -we are going to be working for the next 30-40!</p><p></p><p>Prostitution is all about opinions. Your morals may say it is wrong - and that is fine. Don't tell me however that prostitution is wrong and evil because I frankly don't buy it. Don't come to me and say "yea but these girls are slaves" because not all prositutes are slaves (or indentured servants, etc) - some - MANY - do it on their own free will and can leave whenever they want. And as for the game rules...find me a pssage in WoTC's books that say prostitution is evil and then my paladin will start smiting the hookers in Sharn.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Furby076, post: 2783905, member: 32161"] If I may respond. First, it is your opinion you are speaking of, and the "strawman" argument doesn't qualify here. Many many countries legalized prostitution and I am not talking about forced/slave prostitution. Not to mention, our own country allow prostitution on wholesale until the 20th century. Now it is governed on a state level. 1) I am not folloing the first sentence at all. Nobody said prostitution was idyllic. It isn't a halo profession. Not many women want to have sex with random, strange men who might be disgusting. That doesn't mean every prostitute is doing this job because she is a slave. There are many women who choose to do this on their own, and in the course of a short night make thousands of dollars - if not more (some of the higher ends make anywhere from 10-50k/night). 2)When we are talking RAW we are talking Rules as Written, not Rules as Interpreted. Where in the RAW does it flat out say "Prostitution is wrong" or some such words. In fact, the only topic it came close to brooch is with regards to drugs. Defenders of the Faith, page 9, "The Code and the DM" sidebar says paladins should do things in moderation - EVEN substances that alter perceptions aka DRUGS! The RAW says a paladin can do drugs! That is fine if you don't care about the RAW, but you cited the RAW a number of times so it must matter somewhat. As for your views of morality...well a d100 does have enough facets to cover the full spectrum of people's morality. You may consider prostitution evil - but not everyone does...in fact, i'd wager the majority of the world disagrees with you. 3) You don't know why each and every woman decided to become a prostitute. Maybe one specific girl is dumb as doornails and realizes that is the only way she will make good money. Maybe another girl wants to have sex with many men and get the benefit of pay. Maybe another is paying her way through college. Maybe another wants to make 25k/night. Then there are those who are looking to live on the streets because they can't find a job - but nobody forced them to be prostitutes. There are MANY homeless men/women who are not prostitutes. There are many homeless people who got off the streets without resorting to crime. You cannot generalize for every prostitute. 4) As far as destitute - I disagree with you, and I disagree with the person who said "destitute" and relating it to prostitution as if to be a prositute you have to be destitute. Again, we cannot speak for each and every woman - but I am pretty sure the girl making 25k/night (for ONE guy) is not destitute...in fact, she is going to retire after one year's worth of work -we are going to be working for the next 30-40! Prostitution is all about opinions. Your morals may say it is wrong - and that is fine. Don't tell me however that prostitution is wrong and evil because I frankly don't buy it. Don't come to me and say "yea but these girls are slaves" because not all prositutes are slaves (or indentured servants, etc) - some - MANY - do it on their own free will and can leave whenever they want. And as for the game rules...find me a pssage in WoTC's books that say prostitution is evil and then my paladin will start smiting the hookers in Sharn. [/QUOTE]
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