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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 6040554" data-attributes="member: 6668292">Honor is, admittedly, a pretty regional thing, but most people have a concept of "dirty fighting". This is generally seen as acceptable by those who think along the lines of "all is fair in love and war." Which is fine, and makes for fun characters.I think this goes against the Paladin's code of honor, though. Honor in combat is about an honest duel, a show of skill and strength on each side. It's not about skipping the combat early by means of a shortcut (like poison, which a Paladin cannot use). Again, this is an "I think" and it's my take, but when I think of honorable combat, I don't think of "dirty fighting". When I think of honorable combat, it's kind of like sportsmanship. I don't think of sticky residue on gloves as honorable in football, even if it's not explicitly banned (which of course they have been for a while, it's just an example). It's one more way to win, sure, but you're bypassing the point of the competition (from a sportsmanship point of view).Depends on the dragon. If it'll simply end the fight, then probably. I wouldn't consider it honorable to, say, kick the crutches out from a guy if he had a broken leg, or hit a guy in the glasses. As for the Batman / Superman thing, yes, I'd say it's not honorable (which is fine; Batman is still my favorite superhero).I'd like a concrete example before I comment on it, but possibly.Probably not? I'm not sure, though. I don't think honor comes up much in video game fights like that.I don't think that it is completely. Arbitrary means "based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system", and I think there's reason for "honor" as it applies to combat. Again, it's about not skipping the combat, or "cheating" somehow. Indiana Jones taking a guy with swords out by just shooting him isn't honorable (even if it's awesome). Again, just my take on it.Duels where both people have guns (or in this case, crossbows) are one thing; killing people at range when they don't have the ability to stop you is another. I could easily see a game where a Paladin wasn't allowed to shoot infantry with bows, but archers were fair game.No.It's a cheap shot. They aren't honorable because they don't test skill and strength. The point of honor is to keep the competition pure, and this is essentially bypassing that. (As an aside, I had a campaign world where the god of honor was basically "any rules that people agree to, including no rules.")Okay.I've had Paladins that definitely use intelligent tactics, and I agree about the deception part (though it's the extent that a Paladin will take it to that's in question).I certainly do not think that he (or most jedi from the movies / books) are Lawful Good Paladin types. Especially Qui-Gon.Totally agreed.And I never said that, and I'm in agreement with you.I think somewhere along the line you started making a lot of assumptions of views I never expressed my mind on. Sorry about that?I agree with most of this, I just take it a little further. To me, "justified dirty fighting" and the like doesn't equal "honor." But hey, I'm not going into your game to change it (not that it applies to 4e D&D, and the large amount of people that play it). Heck, I'm not even running 3.5, so I'm not even restricting my players in such a way (our game doesn't even have alignment). So hey, enjoy your game any way you like! As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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