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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 6043065" data-attributes="member: 6668292">I think the word "evil" has a very specific meaning in the D&D universe, and the Paladin class specifically talks about it. And, this isn't something I'm worried about interpreting; again, I'm not talking about how I'd rule the spell. The context of the thread is "can this be played by the rules as written", and in that spirit, I approach the Atonement spell as well. I'm making my argument based on RAW, not on how I'd rule things.I don't ever remember saying it was.Again, I told you why I made this call. I basically transported the phrase over from "gross negligence". It basically boiled down to intentional. If the Paladin intentionally breaks the Code (poisoning someone one purpose, for example), he'll lose his powers. If he accidentally poisons someone (hands them a poisoned drink that he doesn't know is poisoned), then he'll likely be very upset, but he won't lose his powers. And again, I think that's a fairly reasonable interpretation of the phrase.Right; the Paladin won't lose his powers for not testing all drinks he hands out for poison, for example. Even if there's an assassin around, and he knows it. It might potentially be careless, but it won't make him lose his powers. However, knowingly handing the poison over, lying, cheating, or the like will make him lose his powers.This is basically intention, but they summed it up by "gross violation". Which I'm fine with. It tells you not to intentionally break the Code, or you lose your powers. It doesn't add much to you, but the Lawful Good Paladin is my favorite archetype, including the code. It adds a lot to me.I agree? In the former, he didn't actually consciously or voluntarily disregard the Code, and in the latter he did. I think you're arguing with me while saying the same thing now? I'm not sure anymore.Hmm, but we still disagree here. My interpretation of "gross violation" as "conscious and voluntary disregard" for the Code certainly seems to apply here. He knows the Code, and he disregarded it voluntarily. Accidentally handing poison off is entirely different.I disagree with the groin kick not being "conscious and voluntary". That's under the Paladin's control, and it was his choice. The accidental poisoning is obviously not him voluntarily disregarding the Code, and wouldn't make him fall, in my opinion. Same for accidentally disrespecting authority. But I think my take actually makes it easier on the player: you know the rules, and you can make mistakes, just don't cross these lines on purpose. But, again, that's my view. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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