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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 3316730" data-attributes="member: 317">No way- I play almost no D20 now, and I like a variety of systems.  D20 does the heroic genre pretty well (albeit with substantial rules bloat and metagaming), but its not good at all IME and IMO for grittier or darker kinds of games (especially horror)- and I prefer to run and play in a grittier, darker kind of game where the characters aren't superheroes.Another main consideration for me is prep time and complexity when running a game.  At one point in time (when 3E was released) I loved it- you could modify a character any number of ways, and the player had a lot of control.  As time went on however, I began to see this as a drawback, rather than a feature of D20- it went overboard with the modifications in a way that wasn't user friendly to me or my group.  In addition, the amount of metagaming in a D20 game got ridiculous- planning out each level advancement and feat trees from the beginning.  Players felt they HAD to do it to have effective characters, but bemoaned the fact they couldn't let their character grow as he adventured and take advancements that made sense without character effectiveness suffering.  Game prep became a labor and something I dreaded, until eventually my games suffered for it- I just couldn't get motivated.However, once we started playing Savage Worlds, WHFRP2, BRP CoC, NWOD (using normals, not supernaturals), and to a lesser extent True 20, I got my love of gaming back.  Those games fit my gaming and GMing style better, and my group LOVES Savage Worlds and WHFRP2- both for the atmosphere, and ease of play.  So if I were to rank the top 5 games we play now, it would be:1. WHFRP22. Savage Worlds (have run Deadlands, Fading Suns, Victorian Horror, and Post-apocalyptic)3. BRP CoC4. NWOD5. True 20I don't see myself ever going back to core D&D/D20- its just not what fits my group's style.  I can't say for sure since its thankfully not the case, but if D20 were all there was, I'd likely drop gaming entirely.  I still play D&D 3.5 once every month or so (mostly to see friends and game in a lighthearted way), but I'll never run it again- it by no means is my preferred game.</blockquote>

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