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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4139776" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>No.</p><p></p><p>Some of the best game material in the world has been produced by companies who are not WotC. Core be damned, if you are not checking out the 3rd party stuff, I kind of pity your games. There's stuff with production values on par with WotC products that contains daring, original, well-balanced, and incredibly imaginative stuff, and scads more things with slightly lower production values that utterly rock in ways WotC could only dream of.</p><p></p><p>3e has been a vast and intriguing menagerie of excellent game design, and I kind of pity those who don't partake of what is out there.</p><p></p><p>It's true, they're not all awesome, but it really doesn't require much work to find something that is. Entire threads have been dedicated to the awesomeness, and that awesomeness needs every bit of support it can get!</p><p></p><p>A 4e without 3rd party support would be unbearable to me. Having had the Tome of Horrors or Denizens of Avadnu or Oathbound or Testament or Nyambe or Iron Heroes or Arcana Evolved or the Dungeon Crawl Classics or True 20 or Spycraft, I could not endure an edition where these things could not exist anew. Even the Book of Erotic Fantasy, for all it's hullaballoo, is a feather in the cap of 3e, if for no other reason that it was produced and allowed to be part of a galaxy of options.</p><p></p><p>As it is, one of the only reasons I'll go to 4e is under the banner of Necromancer Games' supplements, which go a long way toward embracing the ideals of 4e while fixing what is, IMO, totally backwards in some areas. </p><p></p><p>WotC by themselves simply isn't good enough for me anymore. I've been spoiled by the amazing things that they would never, could never touch, even with a twelve-foot pole. I'd be disappointed if they basically made the GSL a "Make D&D Supplements For Us" agreement, though I could still probably live with it. The more open it is the better it is, though. From all accounts, the 3rd party 3e experiment was a pretty good success, and I think in tinkering with it, WotC is kind of messing with a good thing and being overly analytical about something that needs a light touch. </p><p></p><p>Making a totally closed 4e is ensuring that I'll buy Pathfinder and continue to play 3.75 at least until 5e. </p><p></p><p>I don't NEED 4e. 4e needs me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 4139776, member: 2067"] No. Some of the best game material in the world has been produced by companies who are not WotC. Core be damned, if you are not checking out the 3rd party stuff, I kind of pity your games. There's stuff with production values on par with WotC products that contains daring, original, well-balanced, and incredibly imaginative stuff, and scads more things with slightly lower production values that utterly rock in ways WotC could only dream of. 3e has been a vast and intriguing menagerie of excellent game design, and I kind of pity those who don't partake of what is out there. It's true, they're not all awesome, but it really doesn't require much work to find something that is. Entire threads have been dedicated to the awesomeness, and that awesomeness needs every bit of support it can get! A 4e without 3rd party support would be unbearable to me. Having had the Tome of Horrors or Denizens of Avadnu or Oathbound or Testament or Nyambe or Iron Heroes or Arcana Evolved or the Dungeon Crawl Classics or True 20 or Spycraft, I could not endure an edition where these things could not exist anew. Even the Book of Erotic Fantasy, for all it's hullaballoo, is a feather in the cap of 3e, if for no other reason that it was produced and allowed to be part of a galaxy of options. As it is, one of the only reasons I'll go to 4e is under the banner of Necromancer Games' supplements, which go a long way toward embracing the ideals of 4e while fixing what is, IMO, totally backwards in some areas. WotC by themselves simply isn't good enough for me anymore. I've been spoiled by the amazing things that they would never, could never touch, even with a twelve-foot pole. I'd be disappointed if they basically made the GSL a "Make D&D Supplements For Us" agreement, though I could still probably live with it. The more open it is the better it is, though. From all accounts, the 3rd party 3e experiment was a pretty good success, and I think in tinkering with it, WotC is kind of messing with a good thing and being overly analytical about something that needs a light touch. Making a totally closed 4e is ensuring that I'll buy Pathfinder and continue to play 3.75 at least until 5e. I don't NEED 4e. 4e needs me. [/QUOTE]
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