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<blockquote data-quote="Orcus" data-source="post: 4141954" data-attributes="member: 1254"><p>This is really interesting:</p><p></p><p>Openness doesn’t matter: 307</p><p>Openness matters: 121</p><p>Not going 4E: 59</p><p>Not sure: 24</p><p></p><p>The margin for those who dont care about openness to those who do (to some degree) is almost only 2:1. That is pretty significant. </p><p></p><p>Plus, reading posts by the people who say they are buying 4E regardless a lot of them say that they would prefer third party support--to me that means they will buy the books, but if you want to keep them as long term customers you need to allow third party support. Sure, a good chunk say they dont care at all. </p><p></p><p>I'll tell you what. I think Necro helps bring those 121 over and I also think I bring a good chunk of the 59 over who say they wont go 4E (Frankly, I think that number is underrepresented here). We were solidly able to do that for 3E. I cant tell you how many emails I got from people saying "we werent going to go 3E at all, then we found [Wizard's Amulet or Tome of Horrors or Tomb of Abysthor or whatever] and that made us give it a try and now we love it!"</p><p></p><p>Strangely, I think the comments by people who say "we dont care about third parties" actually helps strengthen the argument to release the rules openly--because those guys dont care. They will only buy Wizards stuff no matter what, meaning no one could argue that Wizards would ever lose a sale to a 3P book with that crew (frankly, I think that is poor reasoning anyway and doesnt happen, but I know some are concerned about that). As for the "wont buy if not open" crew, open that up and you get more sales. </p><p></p><p>Of course, internet polls are hardly good market research. But I think this confirms alot of what I believe:</p><p></p><p>*A big chunk of people buy the game no matter what. Easily more than half, in my view. </p><p>*A relevant chunk wont buy it if it isnt open. I always figured it was around 25%, and it is funny to see these poll numbers right about there. </p><p>*An overlapping chunk of the two groups (some of those who buy regardless and most of those who wont if it isnt open) would have bought and would stay with D&D longer if they have other non-Wizards options (its just a gamer thing).</p><p>*I think I can speak to those people who say they arent going 4E at all. I did for 3E, no reason why we cant do it again. </p><p>*Those who only buy core books, it doesnt matter if Wizards opens the rules to third parties, since those people only buy core anyway. No chance of any argument that a third party book is taking Wizards sales.</p><p>*Those who want third party support mostly want adventures and settings and stuff like that, but they trust Wizards for the splat books and the core campaign materials. Once again, a perfect fit. </p><p></p><p>This is an interesting poll. </p><p></p><p>While I love this poll, the question isnt who wont buy (though that is an interesting number), the question is for those who do buy how many prefer having third party support and how many feel they will stay with D&D longer if third party support is allowed?</p><p></p><p>But its not my thread, its your thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Clark</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Orcus, post: 4141954, member: 1254"] This is really interesting: Openness doesn’t matter: 307 Openness matters: 121 Not going 4E: 59 Not sure: 24 The margin for those who dont care about openness to those who do (to some degree) is almost only 2:1. That is pretty significant. Plus, reading posts by the people who say they are buying 4E regardless a lot of them say that they would prefer third party support--to me that means they will buy the books, but if you want to keep them as long term customers you need to allow third party support. Sure, a good chunk say they dont care at all. I'll tell you what. I think Necro helps bring those 121 over and I also think I bring a good chunk of the 59 over who say they wont go 4E (Frankly, I think that number is underrepresented here). We were solidly able to do that for 3E. I cant tell you how many emails I got from people saying "we werent going to go 3E at all, then we found [Wizard's Amulet or Tome of Horrors or Tomb of Abysthor or whatever] and that made us give it a try and now we love it!" Strangely, I think the comments by people who say "we dont care about third parties" actually helps strengthen the argument to release the rules openly--because those guys dont care. They will only buy Wizards stuff no matter what, meaning no one could argue that Wizards would ever lose a sale to a 3P book with that crew (frankly, I think that is poor reasoning anyway and doesnt happen, but I know some are concerned about that). As for the "wont buy if not open" crew, open that up and you get more sales. Of course, internet polls are hardly good market research. But I think this confirms alot of what I believe: *A big chunk of people buy the game no matter what. Easily more than half, in my view. *A relevant chunk wont buy it if it isnt open. I always figured it was around 25%, and it is funny to see these poll numbers right about there. *An overlapping chunk of the two groups (some of those who buy regardless and most of those who wont if it isnt open) would have bought and would stay with D&D longer if they have other non-Wizards options (its just a gamer thing). *I think I can speak to those people who say they arent going 4E at all. I did for 3E, no reason why we cant do it again. *Those who only buy core books, it doesnt matter if Wizards opens the rules to third parties, since those people only buy core anyway. No chance of any argument that a third party book is taking Wizards sales. *Those who want third party support mostly want adventures and settings and stuff like that, but they trust Wizards for the splat books and the core campaign materials. Once again, a perfect fit. This is an interesting poll. While I love this poll, the question isnt who wont buy (though that is an interesting number), the question is for those who do buy how many prefer having third party support and how many feel they will stay with D&D longer if third party support is allowed? But its not my thread, its your thread :) Clark [/QUOTE]
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