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<blockquote data-quote="Whizbang Dustyboots" data-source="post: 9233970" data-attributes="member: 11760"><p>"Removing the shareholders" requires their acquiescence, since it means taking a company private. That happens, but it's much less common than going public, to my understanding.</p><p></p><p>Removing the CEO just requires activist shareholders, who already oust plenty of CEOs. Once enough of them become convinced that an AI can do a CEO's very expensive job for much cheaper, it's going to happen.</p><p></p><p>Hallucinations will stop happening because future iterations of generative AI are going to fact-check themselves. There's a lot of competition in this space, and providing generative AI that produces results that can be more relied on is where the commercial incentives are. The AI companies are not going to say "well, December 2023 is where we'll stop developing," any more than Sony and Panasonic stopped with $1,000 DVD units as big as a desk.</p><p></p><p>"Never" is a very long time. I remember when people on this board laughed at Apple wanting to revive the tablet computer, a product that "no one" wanted and no one would ever want. They were talking about the previous laughable takes on tablet computers (enormous devices that sat on your laps and sterilized you until their batteries ran down), not about the continued development.</p><p></p><p>Yes, AI today still has a lot of issues. AI a year from now will have a lot less. Ten years from now, a lot of us will have memory-holed our concerns about AI, as it will be so integrated into our everyday lives.</p><p></p><p>I don't think anyone on this thread has suggested otherwise.</p><p></p><p>I picked Castle Greyhawk deliberately for this thread.</p><p></p><p>Things worth noting:</p><p></p><p>1) There is no definitive Castle Greyhawk, and there never was. Gary was constantly in the process of adding content, removing content and changing what was happening in existing areas.</p><p></p><p>2) There was never a single document, as we'd understand it, bringing it all together in a single pile that he could have, in theory, handed to a developer and said "here, turn this into a salable product." That's one of the reasons TSR never did it, along with the <em>draaaaama </em>it was experiencing in the mid-1980s.</p><p></p><p>3) Even the unfinished Castle Zagyg line largely involved EGG sitting down, looking through his notes, trying to remember what he was thinking 20 years earlier, and creating new stuff that was him emulating his previous work. Even if he had lived to finish Castle Zagyg, it would have been EGG's simulation of the original dungeon complex. And honestly, a lot of it was pretty roguelike, even back in the day.</p><p></p><p>4) And like Yoko Ono with John Lennon, EGG has a widow who speaks for his estate today (when the courts aren't speaking on behalf of them both). She (or the courts) could give the green light to such a project, although I would be surprised if the very lo-fi Troll Lords, who seem to have had a genuine human relationship with EGG, would ever ask for an AI project to happen. Still, they've lost control of Castle Zagyg once before. It wouldn't be jaw-dropping if someone else was in charge of the property in 2028, when AI will be a <em>lot </em>better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Whizbang Dustyboots, post: 9233970, member: 11760"] "Removing the shareholders" requires their acquiescence, since it means taking a company private. That happens, but it's much less common than going public, to my understanding. Removing the CEO just requires activist shareholders, who already oust plenty of CEOs. Once enough of them become convinced that an AI can do a CEO's very expensive job for much cheaper, it's going to happen. Hallucinations will stop happening because future iterations of generative AI are going to fact-check themselves. There's a lot of competition in this space, and providing generative AI that produces results that can be more relied on is where the commercial incentives are. The AI companies are not going to say "well, December 2023 is where we'll stop developing," any more than Sony and Panasonic stopped with $1,000 DVD units as big as a desk. "Never" is a very long time. I remember when people on this board laughed at Apple wanting to revive the tablet computer, a product that "no one" wanted and no one would ever want. They were talking about the previous laughable takes on tablet computers (enormous devices that sat on your laps and sterilized you until their batteries ran down), not about the continued development. Yes, AI today still has a lot of issues. AI a year from now will have a lot less. Ten years from now, a lot of us will have memory-holed our concerns about AI, as it will be so integrated into our everyday lives. I don't think anyone on this thread has suggested otherwise. I picked Castle Greyhawk deliberately for this thread. Things worth noting: 1) There is no definitive Castle Greyhawk, and there never was. Gary was constantly in the process of adding content, removing content and changing what was happening in existing areas. 2) There was never a single document, as we'd understand it, bringing it all together in a single pile that he could have, in theory, handed to a developer and said "here, turn this into a salable product." That's one of the reasons TSR never did it, along with the [I]draaaaama [/I]it was experiencing in the mid-1980s. 3) Even the unfinished Castle Zagyg line largely involved EGG sitting down, looking through his notes, trying to remember what he was thinking 20 years earlier, and creating new stuff that was him emulating his previous work. Even if he had lived to finish Castle Zagyg, it would have been EGG's simulation of the original dungeon complex. And honestly, a lot of it was pretty roguelike, even back in the day. 4) And like Yoko Ono with John Lennon, EGG has a widow who speaks for his estate today (when the courts aren't speaking on behalf of them both). She (or the courts) could give the green light to such a project, although I would be surprised if the very lo-fi Troll Lords, who seem to have had a genuine human relationship with EGG, would ever ask for an AI project to happen. Still, they've lost control of Castle Zagyg once before. It wouldn't be jaw-dropping if someone else was in charge of the property in 2028, when AI will be a [I]lot [/I]better. [/QUOTE]
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