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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6582832" data-attributes="member: 6790260">While the tone of the message could use improvement, I have to agree with one of ExploderWizard's central points:If you have to lie to your players to keep them in your game, something is seriously wrong.Fudging things, and then explicitly saying you do not do so when asked about it? That is a lie. I do not like being lied to. I would, in fact, prefer to hear the honest answer, even if it did mean that I left the group. I probably wouldn't leave over that, just so we're clear, but I WOULD leave if I found out I was being lied to. If the DM is going to lie about fudging rolls or behind-the-screen numbers, what else will be lied about? How can I possibly make informed decisions for my character when I cannot trust the only source of information about what my character knows?Now, if this is a once- or twice-a-campaign kind of thing, and the DM admits to it if questioned and provides some kind of reasonable justification (e.g. "I hadn't expected you guys to get three crits in a row; that particular bad guy was meant to run away and would be important later, I just wanted to give her the chance to DO that"), then I have no problems whatsoever, and would in fact agree that that "fudging" could be to the betterment of the game. But if this is happening regularly, and to things other than just HP, and is essentially the DM arbitrarily modifying difficulties and challenges to "control the direction of the game" or something like that? I'm going to be a very unhappy camper. The DM should roll with the punches, not rewrite things whenever it's convenient--that's a railroad masquerading as a free world, which is bollocks.Edit:To put this in a different light, SirAntoine, how would you feel if you found out that all of your players fudged their ability scores at character creation, and then lied to you when you asked if they had legitimately rolled them? Would that upset you? Would you ask such players to leave specifically because of their dishonesty? (Assume, for the sake of argument, that you are allowing people to bring in characters that they rolled at home, rather than characters created in front of you; I have no idea what your actual preferences are for how characters are created.)</blockquote>

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