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<blockquote data-quote="Shazman" data-source="post: 5156558" data-attributes="member: 13509"><p>I am sure some groups will play faster than others, but I still believe that it has much more to do with the mechanics of the game itself.&nbsp; For example, just yesterday, I was in an LFR game.&nbsp; We played low tier, had the right mix of characters for the mod (lots of divine vs. lots of undead), played with good tactics, were decisive, and the mod still took about 5 1/2 hours (all LFR mods except double mods are supposed to be completed in 4 hours) to complete, mainly due to the length of the combat encounters.&nbsp; The encounters were relatively short for LFR, due to the optimal circumstances, but still too long.&nbsp; In contrast, every combat encounter I have played in 3.5 or Pathfinder in recent months, moves at lightning speed compared to 4E.&nbsp; From my personal experience, I can come to no other conclusion than lengthy combat in 4E is a result of the system itself.&nbsp; Grindiness seems to be built into 4E's mechanics.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Shazman, post: 5156558, member: 13509"] I am sure some groups will play faster than others, but I still believe that it has much more to do with the mechanics of the game itself. For example, just yesterday, I was in an LFR game. We played low tier, had the right mix of characters for the mod (lots of divine vs. lots of undead), played with good tactics, were decisive, and the mod still took about 5 1/2 hours (all LFR mods except double mods are supposed to be completed in 4 hours) to complete, mainly due to the length of the combat encounters. The encounters were relatively short for LFR, due to the optimal circumstances, but still too long. In contrast, every combat encounter I have played in 3.5 or Pathfinder in recent months, moves at lightning speed compared to 4E. From my personal experience, I can come to no other conclusion than lengthy combat in 4E is a result of the system itself. Grindiness seems to be built into 4E's mechanics. [/QUOTE]

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