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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 391150" data-attributes="member: 3146">I think it's a good idea but it seems awfully stingy.+1 ECL for 4 extra hit points!?! You'd almost certainly get that many levelling up even in wizard (assuming a small con bonus) and you'd get skills, saves, and spellcasting progression as well.+1 ECL for +1 to a single stat!?! That doesn't even guarantee +1 to any rolls. Levelling up in any class will get you much more than that.Extra feats and skill points for +1 ECL? Unless the skill or feats are broken that's pretty weak. You'd be better off taking a level of fighter or rogue and getting lots of other goodies with your feat and/or skill points.What kind of stuff do you currently get for +1 ECL?Aasmar: +2 wis, +2 cha, elemental resistances, light 1/day, +2 spot, listen checks. outsider type.Tiefling: +2 dex, +2 int, -2 cha, elemental resistances, darkness 1/day, outsider type. +2 bluff/hideClearly, the current +1 ECL races offer far more than you do for that level (and even then, it's not usually a good powergaming choice).For a system like you're proposing, what would I do?Character Creation:Normal: PHB races, Attributes 28 points (use point buy system as described in PHB.+1 ECL: Aasimar or Tiefling with 28 points for attributes or PHB race with 36 points for attributes.I would not allow extra feats or skill ranks in return for an ECL. Characters can get feats and skill ranks with levels. If they want a feat, they can play a human or choose fighter levels. If they want skill points, they can take levels in rogue (or possibly expert--I'd be willing to power that up to the level of a PC class) or put attribute points into intelligence.</blockquote>

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