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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4560735" data-attributes="member: 1656">There are heroic rogues.&nbsp; The class is not the problem.The DM requested the players to submit heroic characters.&nbsp; A heroic rogue, willing to risk personal harm to jump in and help a stranger in trouble?&nbsp; Step right up!&nbsp; A heroic warlock, willing to risk personal harm to jump in and help a stranger in trouble?&nbsp; Just the man we're looking for!A fighter who would rather loot a civilian than prevent a robbery?&nbsp; A cleric who would rather loot a civilian than prevent a robbery?&nbsp; Not appropriate for this game.The DM is not complaining that the player submitted a rogue.&nbsp; The DM is complaining that despite the guidelines for this PbP (not D&amp;D in general, but this particular game), the player submitted a non-heroic character.If I run a game and specify &quot;No eladrin PCs&quot;, and someone submits an eladrin, they haven't taken on board the rules I've laid out for this particular game.&nbsp; Whether eladrin exist in D&amp;D is beside the point; I'm running a game for PCs who are not eladrin.This DM is running a game for PCs who are heroic, not for PCs who are selfish burglars.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4560735, member: 1656"] There are heroic rogues. The class is not the problem. The DM requested the players to submit heroic characters. A heroic rogue, willing to risk personal harm to jump in and help a stranger in trouble? Step right up! A heroic warlock, willing to risk personal harm to jump in and help a stranger in trouble? Just the man we're looking for! A fighter who would rather loot a civilian than prevent a robbery? A cleric who would rather loot a civilian than prevent a robbery? Not appropriate for this game. The DM is not complaining that the player submitted a rogue. The DM is complaining that despite the guidelines for this PbP (not D&D in general, but this particular game), the player submitted a non-heroic character. If I run a game and specify "No eladrin PCs", and someone submits an eladrin, they haven't taken on board the rules I've laid out for this particular game. Whether eladrin exist in D&D is beside the point; I'm running a game for PCs who are not eladrin. This DM is running a game for PCs who are heroic, not for PCs who are selfish burglars. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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