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<blockquote data-quote="GM Dave" data-source="post: 5801740" data-attributes="member: 6687992"><p>The idea that Elf or Dwarf will be a seperate class and races will have levels seems pretty dead after today's, Jan 31st, Legends and Lore article.</p><p></p><p>Monte "But what does it mean to play in the "style" of various editions? That's a complex issue. It has involved, for me and my fellow designers, looking at the different editions and trying to distill down the essence of each one. <strong>For example, is it important that "elf" remains a class to someone who enjoyed Original D&D (1974) or Basic D&D? I'd argue, no.</strong> What's far more important for that player is an open-ended system with a lot of emphasis on the Dungeon Master, lots of exploration, and simple mechanics that enable fast combat, to name just a few things."</p><p></p><p>[I added the highlight]</p><p></p><p>My guess is that there may remain feat and skill choices that someone can use to express a particular theme of elf will be able to choose. This could be important considering the aim of 5e to include all the classes in the first player books of each edition that they may attempt to do the same with races (Go Gnomes!).</p><p></p><p>There are several types of elves, dwarves, and halflings in the player books and it is unlikely that the designers want to do up individual listings for each one of them. They will likely have feat choices for players to bring out their 'interpretation' or 'preference' for Gray Elves, High Elves, Wood Elves or other things as a mixture of theme, race, and some modular choices.</p><p></p><p>I also see that there will be negatives to races but this will be down played in 5e by the comment on Half-Orc Bards where the Bard class gives an attribute bonus that mixes with the possibly negative Charisma to return the player to an even situation (not as good as Fighter Orc mix where they might each add to strength).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GM Dave, post: 5801740, member: 6687992"] The idea that Elf or Dwarf will be a seperate class and races will have levels seems pretty dead after today's, Jan 31st, Legends and Lore article. Monte "But what does it mean to play in the "style" of various editions? That's a complex issue. It has involved, for me and my fellow designers, looking at the different editions and trying to distill down the essence of each one. [B]For example, is it important that "elf" remains a class to someone who enjoyed Original D&D (1974) or Basic D&D? I'd argue, no.[/B] What's far more important for that player is an open-ended system with a lot of emphasis on the Dungeon Master, lots of exploration, and simple mechanics that enable fast combat, to name just a few things." [I added the highlight] My guess is that there may remain feat and skill choices that someone can use to express a particular theme of elf will be able to choose. This could be important considering the aim of 5e to include all the classes in the first player books of each edition that they may attempt to do the same with races (Go Gnomes!). There are several types of elves, dwarves, and halflings in the player books and it is unlikely that the designers want to do up individual listings for each one of them. They will likely have feat choices for players to bring out their 'interpretation' or 'preference' for Gray Elves, High Elves, Wood Elves or other things as a mixture of theme, race, and some modular choices. I also see that there will be negatives to races but this will be down played in 5e by the comment on Half-Orc Bards where the Bard class gives an attribute bonus that mixes with the possibly negative Charisma to return the player to an even situation (not as good as Fighter Orc mix where they might each add to strength). [/QUOTE]
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