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<blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 2303532" data-attributes="member: 6939">There are two issues that need to be addressed.1. Does *anyone* know how to do this type of trig. In a world that magic works, and dwarves just inherrently 'know' things....would there ever be an effort to learn this? Remember, even on earth, we went for thousands of years doing amazing things without this level of trig.2. Does a level of 6 in engineering mean you are specialized enough to also know how to do this type of calculation.3. Do you have enough tools in the field to be able to pull this off? (books, tables, etc.)4. Even if you are a physics super-genius, and you know how to do all of this, and you have&nbsp; an HP calculator at your side (Ti is for posers....;-)&nbsp; Can you get measurements anywhere near accurate enough to get you anywhere near where the BBEG is supposed to be.In my campaign, I have not yet decided if trig is known, as it may not be necessary. But that is a campaign specific issue.I think it would be a DC 20+ check just to see if you know how to do this. Having a mere 6 ranks in engin/architecture just isn't that impressive. You can cut stones, and make a short wall not fall down.... doesn't mean you are the one in charge of the design.Aside from my opinions on the first two, it is the last one that really does it. Even if you put a party of Feynman, Einstein and Hawking in that shaft, they would be damn hard pressed to&nbsp; get a decent reading. GIGO is the rule. Garbage In, Garbage Out. There is no way of getting good data to use in the equation, even if they knew the equation. (and really, the dwarf helping with the depth isn't a help, they can get much better readings with a rope.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coredump, post: 2303532, member: 6939"] There are two issues that need to be addressed. 1. Does *anyone* know how to do this type of trig. In a world that magic works, and dwarves just inherrently 'know' things....would there ever be an effort to learn this? Remember, even on earth, we went for thousands of years doing amazing things without this level of trig. 2. Does a level of 6 in engineering mean you are specialized enough to also know how to do this type of calculation. 3. Do you have enough tools in the field to be able to pull this off? (books, tables, etc.) 4. Even if you are a physics super-genius, and you know how to do all of this, and you have an HP calculator at your side (Ti is for posers....;-) Can you get measurements anywhere near accurate enough to get you anywhere near where the BBEG is supposed to be. In my campaign, I have not yet decided if trig is known, as it may not be necessary. But that is a campaign specific issue. I think it would be a DC 20+ check just to see if you know how to do this. Having a mere 6 ranks in engin/architecture just isn't that impressive. You can cut stones, and make a short wall not fall down.... doesn't mean you are the one in charge of the design. Aside from my opinions on the first two, it is the last one that really does it. Even if you put a party of Feynman, Einstein and Hawking in that shaft, they would be damn hard pressed to get a decent reading. GIGO is the rule. Garbage In, Garbage Out. There is no way of getting good data to use in the equation, even if they knew the equation. (and really, the dwarf helping with the depth isn't a help, they can get much better readings with a rope.) [/QUOTE]

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