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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9044666" data-attributes="member: 6779310">I do make a distinction, but put both on the side of rules, not setting.Essentially, yes, if there is no prior story-state nor rules-state distinction, I won't worry about theme. Theme doesn't exist for me except as part of the story state or game state, both of which come from rules and play.Classic Fallacy detected: False dichotomy. I avoid the glitches for a different reason... many such glitches increase the risk of hitting an unplayable state. The few times I've played MMOs, EG: I lost a 60% completed save on a 3d Mario game due to a clipping glitch (that is, I hit a corner at just the right speed and angle to go through). as it dropped the avatar to the bottom of the 3d space defined, and that one didn't have a kill zone... so I couldn't get back into the playable zone, and it autosaved with me there... worse, since it was a part of the overworld, I couldn't "exit level" to cure the glitch.I've experienced many glitches in videogames...  about half have resulted in restarts/respawns.Plus, the only MMOs I've enjoyed were STO and Puzzle Pirates, so the social expectation factors not at all for me. That said, I did glitch in STO.... got stuck, too. Had to log-out, re-log-in, and restart the story mission. I wasn't trying to glitch... I showed it off to a buddy. He was able to replicate it, as he & I both were on Macs, but other buddies, who were not on Mac, could not.... It was amusing to glitch, but not of any use to winning. (It was a romulan mission, back when the mac client was supported/allowed, and glitched only on the mac client.)Cheating requires a social judgement.How one wins matters only to oneself unless playing as part of a group.Which said, many people made impromptu group competition by comparing high scores....I'll note that I generally avoid MMOs... I've only played 3 for any significant time - Puzzle Pirates, BSG Online, and Star Trek Online. Never found any for PP nor BSGO. Nor was I looking. As I said, my experiences with glitches are crashiness.</blockquote>

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