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Would you say the Dragon Wild Shape feat is a bit powerful?
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<blockquote data-quote="Perun" data-source="post: 1830270" data-attributes="member: 6037"><p>It's not "worse" than <em>shapechange</em>. It's just that with one feat (which <strong>is</strong> limited to higher-level characters) you gain a nice bundle of goodies when you wild shape.</p><p></p><p><em>Shapechange</em> can do all of that, and more (you're not limited neither by size nor by creature type), but it is a 9th-level spell, available to 17th-level characters, that lasts for 10 minutes/level (which equals to about 3 hours at tzhose levels). Dragon wild shape is a feat that lets you wild shape into a Small or Medium dragon. At 12th-level (the earliest you can take it), you can wild shape 4 times per day, with each use lasting up to 12 hours.</p><p></p><p>Compared to standard wild shape options, dragon wild shape gives much more abilities. You can get better ability scores by wild shaping into an animal (true dragon form will give you, at best, Str 17, Dex 10, Con 15, other dragon forms might provide better ability scores), do more damage, etc. But no other option (short of <em>shapechanging</em>) will give you the nice abilities I mentioned in my original post (blindsense, darkvision, low-light vision, incredible overland speed (160 miles per day!), breath weapon, plus generally one special ability, some energy immunity, etc.)</p><p></p><p>I don't believe any of the abilities a character gains by choosing this feat is game-breaking per se (it's 12th-level we're talking about here, after all -- that's about the low-end of high levels, and some of the better Medium dragon forms aren't available until 13th-level), I'm just wondering if it's simply too much of a possible benefit from a single feat (and I'm referring to quantity here).</p><p></p><p>I'm currently playing a 10th-level druid. I'd <strong>love</strong> to pick this feat at 12th level. I'm just not certain what I'd have said if a player approached <strong>me</strong> with this feat when I was a DM.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Perun, post: 1830270, member: 6037"] It's not "worse" than [I]shapechange[/I]. It's just that with one feat (which [B]is[/B] limited to higher-level characters) you gain a nice bundle of goodies when you wild shape. [I]Shapechange[/I] can do all of that, and more (you're not limited neither by size nor by creature type), but it is a 9th-level spell, available to 17th-level characters, that lasts for 10 minutes/level (which equals to about 3 hours at tzhose levels). Dragon wild shape is a feat that lets you wild shape into a Small or Medium dragon. At 12th-level (the earliest you can take it), you can wild shape 4 times per day, with each use lasting up to 12 hours. Compared to standard wild shape options, dragon wild shape gives much more abilities. You can get better ability scores by wild shaping into an animal (true dragon form will give you, at best, Str 17, Dex 10, Con 15, other dragon forms might provide better ability scores), do more damage, etc. But no other option (short of [I]shapechanging[/I]) will give you the nice abilities I mentioned in my original post (blindsense, darkvision, low-light vision, incredible overland speed (160 miles per day!), breath weapon, plus generally one special ability, some energy immunity, etc.) I don't believe any of the abilities a character gains by choosing this feat is game-breaking per se (it's 12th-level we're talking about here, after all -- that's about the low-end of high levels, and some of the better Medium dragon forms aren't available until 13th-level), I'm just wondering if it's simply too much of a possible benefit from a single feat (and I'm referring to quantity here). I'm currently playing a 10th-level druid. I'd [B]love[/B] to pick this feat at 12th level. I'm just not certain what I'd have said if a player approached [B]me[/B] with this feat when I was a DM. [/QUOTE]
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