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<blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 9220621" data-attributes="member: 59816">I'm glad that I finally understand what you're talking about. Myself, I've found players playing Nobles to be an interesting feature to the story of the game, and not a flaw. I can see how it could be trouble in a case where the players have unreasonable expectations, the DM is not prepared for it, or the story being told has no place for it - but I don't think that's going to be a universal problem. That said, I'd absolutely back you that good advice (for both players and DMs) on how to work out that potential kink is important. I'm not sure that it's necessary to outlaw the Noble (or Peasant) backgrounds.Part of the advice should, IMO, include toning down what a Noble IS in a fantasy setting. For example, on the Sword Coast, it's not like there's a single big country. Being a noble from Waterdeep doesn't necessarily give you a lot of clout when you're in Baldur's Gate. I mean, the other nobles will probably be more likely to speak to you than they would a peasant, but it's not like you can order around the Flaming Fist.In fact, ALL the backgrounds essentially boil down to &quot;You're part of THIS group. People from that group will see you as &quot;one of their own&quot;. Other groups will see you as an outsider.&quot;But I suspect that you and I have substantially different ideas on these things.It was a tangent in the first place, but I am glad to come to an understanding with you, even if we don't agree. I at least see your point!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FitzTheRuke, post: 9220621, member: 59816"] I'm glad that I finally understand what you're talking about. Myself, I've found players playing Nobles to be an interesting feature to the story of the game, and not a flaw. I can see how it [I]could[/I] be trouble in a case where the players have unreasonable expectations, the DM is not prepared for it, or the story being told has no place for it - but I don't think that's going to be a universal problem. That said, I'd absolutely back you that good advice (for both players and DMs) on how to work out that potential kink is important. I'm not sure that it's necessary to outlaw the Noble (or Peasant) backgrounds. Part of the advice should, IMO, include toning down what a Noble IS in a fantasy setting. For example, on the Sword Coast, it's not like there's a single big country. Being a noble from Waterdeep doesn't necessarily give you a lot of clout when you're in Baldur's Gate. I mean, the other nobles will probably be more likely to speak to you than they would a peasant, but it's not like you can order around the Flaming Fist. In fact, ALL the backgrounds essentially boil down to "You're part of THIS group. People from that group will see you as "one of their own". Other groups will see you as an outsider." But I suspect that you and I have substantially different ideas on these things. It was a tangent in the first place, but I am glad to come to an understanding with you, even if we don't agree. I at least see your point! [/QUOTE]

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